Comments on: An interesting video: Live fire training on donated campers with an unusual PPV technique.

By: The colonel

The colonel — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:28:59 +0000

Past Chief you are wrong! Alan Baird the third KILLED A FIREFIGHTER DURING TRAINING. That is far worse than what these yayhoos did. However, this is totally assinine. Learn from this and do not make the same mistakes. Take training seriously.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:43:51 +0000

This video recently got played for a group in fire class here at home. The older guys and officers lost the color in their face, while the younger guys laughed like hell. Nothing funny in that video from my seat. Good luck to everyone who did not laugh. Such actions are a sickness that plague not only the fire service, but the world in general. We laugh at the idea of; “can’t fix stupid.” Well I sure hope we can teach common sense.

By: Lieu.

Lieu. — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:43:29 +0000

And fire departments wonder why it is so hard to do live burns anymore because of stupidity like this. Please don’t let this one department in Cumberland County represent the rest.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:27:31 +0000

It’s no wonder that the cops think they are smarter!

By: Concerned Officer

Concerned Officer — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:36:50 +0000

I run with a company that is fairly close to where this company is located and I’m also a line officer. My guys get a lot of flack for doing minor things wrong, which is a shame because most of the time they are just trying to do things safely or just aren’t confident in doing truck work when riding on the engine.

What will probably happen here is that in a few weeks time, everyone will have forgotten about this incident. Will other municipalities remove them from their box cards? It’ll be discussed and words will be thrown around, but no, it won’t happen.

I know that this will be used as a training topic in my company about what not to do. We will LEARN from it. Sadly, a lot of other local companies surrounding them will not. It’s hard to fight fire in 2009 with the mentality of 1979, folks.

Please, everyone take the opportunity, whether you’re with the company involved or not, to learn from this. Scrutinize the video to point out what they did wrong, and discuss it with your younger members. Some of them might see this as a “fun” exercise, too, and it’s up to ALL OF US to make sure that they all understand that this was a poorly executed exercise. Don’t just watch the video to make fun of them and call them names, because you don’t accomplish a damn thing by doing that.

Good luck to all and may we all return safe!

By: Firefighter'sgirl28

Firefighter'sgirl28 — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:15:26 +0000

haha 31 seems to be famouse ONCE again!

By: Firechick

Firechick — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:58:42 +0000

The only brilliance I can see from this video is it teaches those of us who KNOW better that (at least in Canada, under the Occupational Health & Safety Act–that applies even to volunteer ff’s) is we have the “RIGHT to Refuse Unsafe Work”…ANYTIME, even during training! Volunteer of career.

I wholeheartedly agree WHY would you go IN?! DUHHHHHHHHHHH

This shouldn’t be on “TheBravestOnline” it should be re posted to “theDUMBESTonline”

By: Why should it surprise us!

Why should it surprise us! — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:54:19 +0000

I know that in most area of the country the vol. fire servie is on life support. Be if we do not stop stuipid stuff like what we see in this video. We all be gone before we know it. We need to have someone in this commonwelth tech 2 things fire the service. You will take notice that I said frie service (career & volunteer). Common sense & leadership. Leadership is the most important, because this will set the example of how firefighter will act and train. Because f/f’s will all follow the example the is set. When have chiefs are not wearing all the PPE (SCBA) what example does that set for the mushrooms that are following? Always lead by example!!

By: Jason Obelenus

Jason Obelenus — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:01:14 +0000

Add people wonder why people do not donate or support there local fire companies because of act like this.

By: Justin Case

Justin Case — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:26:20 +0000

Now that we have beat these guys up,lets make this into a positive outcome. Because some may not have a voice in the area to try to change operations.
Why not have Cumberland County hold a FF/OFFICERS SAFETY and OPERATIONS DAY in the VERY near furure.The Cumberland County Political leaders could be in attendance to lend support to the correct way of doing business,since they use my tax money. They do foot some of the bills for the FD and the County owned Training site. I am sure many of the CERTIFIED training instructors in the area would lend a hand.
Back to the cost of doing business this way. The local boros/townships pay for some if not all of the workers comp. for the FF in their areas. I submit to you how long would it take for the boro dump truck operator to do something stupid and get a way with it. My point is this, why is good money being thrown away to some of the local fd’s without folks being held accountable. OSHA/INS. COMPANIES/THE LEGAL system do not care if you and paid or volly. The more clains we have the higher the cost of doing day to day business is.
Lets start the year out right,no more leaders without PRO-Board CERT./FF without the same and a healthy dose of good common sense. Hold the training day in Jan. 2010.
Perhaps Dave Statter and the PA Fire Commish.could both be keynote speakers.

PS This is not the only county in P-Tucky that acts like this look at “THE WATCH DESK”.com to get a laugh—Westmorland and ALLEGHANY Counties. have some good ones going on right now