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	<title>Comments on: Critically burned firefighter did not get the same consideration as soon to retire deputy chief. Still no explanation on who made deal to let Florida fire chief remain on the rolls of the DC Fire &amp; EMS Department.</title>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://statter911.com/2009/12/15/critically-burned-firefighter-did-not-get-the-same-consideration-as-soon-to-retire-deputy-chief-still-no-explanation-on-who-made-deal-to-let-florida-fire-chief-remain-on-the-rolls-of-the-dc-fire-em/comment-page-1/#comment-14122</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,
You are truly the definition of what a firefighter/officer is. I am proud to have known you and had the opportunity to have talked with you about your injuries. To this day it sits heavy on me when I respond to fires. As a newly promoted officer, I reflect on what happened to you and strive to make sure it does not happen again.
Thank you Joe for being who you are and being an inspiration to so many. May God bless you and watch over you and your family.

To the rest,
Why don&#039;t we focus on watching each others backs at work, do our jobs the best we can, go home safe to our families and friends, and make the best of what we have. The legal issues will come out in the wash, city council will continue to do what they do and the administration will do what they think is right. Weather we agree with it or not it is the way it will be. There is no way you can have over 2000 members agree to everything that goes on. There is also no way for us to challenge what is taking place weather we want to or not. So for now, until things change, keep your head up and be proud to be a DC Firefighter/Officer because we all know when it comes to push and shove we are STILL the best at what we do and will continue to be the best regardless of what goes on between city council and the administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,<br />
You are truly the definition of what a firefighter/officer is. I am proud to have known you and had the opportunity to have talked with you about your injuries. To this day it sits heavy on me when I respond to fires. As a newly promoted officer, I reflect on what happened to you and strive to make sure it does not happen again.<br />
Thank you Joe for being who you are and being an inspiration to so many. May God bless you and watch over you and your family.</p>
<p>To the rest,<br />
Why don&#8217;t we focus on watching each others backs at work, do our jobs the best we can, go home safe to our families and friends, and make the best of what we have. The legal issues will come out in the wash, city council will continue to do what they do and the administration will do what they think is right. Weather we agree with it or not it is the way it will be. There is no way you can have over 2000 members agree to everything that goes on. There is also no way for us to challenge what is taking place weather we want to or not. So for now, until things change, keep your head up and be proud to be a DC Firefighter/Officer because we all know when it comes to push and shove we are STILL the best at what we do and will continue to be the best regardless of what goes on between city council and the administration.</p>
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		<title>By: affwife</title>
		<link>http://statter911.com/2009/12/15/critically-burned-firefighter-did-not-get-the-same-consideration-as-soon-to-retire-deputy-chief-still-no-explanation-on-who-made-deal-to-let-florida-fire-chief-remain-on-the-rolls-of-the-dc-fire-em/comment-page-1/#comment-14084</link>
		<dc:creator>affwife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous,
That is what I am talking about. Not the fact we all now how many times people have lied or that people take advantage of the system screwing others. I taking about the system that has been broken for years, and the guys that almost died or have died because of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous,<br />
That is what I am talking about. Not the fact we all now how many times people have lied or that people take advantage of the system screwing others. I taking about the system that has been broken for years, and the guys that almost died or have died because of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://statter911.com/2009/12/15/critically-burned-firefighter-did-not-get-the-same-consideration-as-soon-to-retire-deputy-chief-still-no-explanation-on-who-made-deal-to-let-florida-fire-chief-remain-on-the-rolls-of-the-dc-fire-em/comment-page-1/#comment-14078</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, reading the blog makes it look like D.C. Fire/EMS is in real shambles.  affwife says that they should &quot;FIX THE REAL PROBLEMS!!!&quot;  Ok, Ruben may have been caught in a lie, Ellerbie took advantage of the system like others have.  Is that the real problem in DCFD?  Is that what the rank in file are upset about?  

How about this? Are you getting the training you needn does your gear protect you like it should, is the equipment in decent shape, are the firehouses in decent shape, are the the firefighters and officers competent?  

WHAT ARE REAL PROBLEMS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, reading the blog makes it look like D.C. Fire/EMS is in real shambles.  affwife says that they should &#8220;FIX THE REAL PROBLEMS!!!&#8221;  Ok, Ruben may have been caught in a lie, Ellerbie took advantage of the system like others have.  Is that the real problem in DCFD?  Is that what the rank in file are upset about?  </p>
<p>How about this? Are you getting the training you needn does your gear protect you like it should, is the equipment in decent shape, are the firehouses in decent shape, are the the firefighters and officers competent?  </p>
<p>WHAT ARE REAL PROBLEMS?</p>
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		<title>By: HOOKMAN</title>
		<link>http://statter911.com/2009/12/15/critically-burned-firefighter-did-not-get-the-same-consideration-as-soon-to-retire-deputy-chief-still-no-explanation-on-who-made-deal-to-let-florida-fire-chief-remain-on-the-rolls-of-the-dc-fire-em/comment-page-1/#comment-14077</link>
		<dc:creator>HOOKMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well spoken Joe..You were and still are an inspiration to all. I&#039;m glad your at peace and wish the best for you and your family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well spoken Joe..You were and still are an inspiration to all. I&#8217;m glad your at peace and wish the best for you and your family.</p>
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		<title>By: affwife</title>
		<link>http://statter911.com/2009/12/15/critically-burned-firefighter-did-not-get-the-same-consideration-as-soon-to-retire-deputy-chief-still-no-explanation-on-who-made-deal-to-let-florida-fire-chief-remain-on-the-rolls-of-the-dc-fire-em/comment-page-1/#comment-14075</link>
		<dc:creator>affwife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, you are one special person and thank you for remembering all those who have gotten hurt. Bobbie , you have no idea about anything and how dare you say anything.I am so disgusted, that the true issue here is that this department is gone down the tubes. The one&#039;s doing by the book&#039;s are getting screwed and there is constant finger pointing going , but instead of finding out the REAL stories, members love to gossip or spread false information.Like I say everyone talks the talk ,but as they say do you walk the walk. FIX THE REAL PROBLEMS!!! Before someone else gets killed!!!!GOD BLESS YOU JOE MORGAN!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, you are one special person and thank you for remembering all those who have gotten hurt. Bobbie , you have no idea about anything and how dare you say anything.I am so disgusted, that the true issue here is that this department is gone down the tubes. The one&#8217;s doing by the book&#8217;s are getting screwed and there is constant finger pointing going , but instead of finding out the REAL stories, members love to gossip or spread false information.Like I say everyone talks the talk ,but as they say do you walk the walk. FIX THE REAL PROBLEMS!!! Before someone else gets killed!!!!GOD BLESS YOU JOE MORGAN!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: FireCap5</title>
		<link>http://statter911.com/2009/12/15/critically-burned-firefighter-did-not-get-the-same-consideration-as-soon-to-retire-deputy-chief-still-no-explanation-on-who-made-deal-to-let-florida-fire-chief-remain-on-the-rolls-of-the-dc-fire-em/comment-page-1/#comment-14066</link>
		<dc:creator>FireCap5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now there gentlemen, is a class act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now there gentlemen, is a class act.</p>
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		<title>By: Brooks</title>
		<link>http://statter911.com/2009/12/15/critically-burned-firefighter-did-not-get-the-same-consideration-as-soon-to-retire-deputy-chief-still-no-explanation-on-who-made-deal-to-let-florida-fire-chief-remain-on-the-rolls-of-the-dc-fire-em/comment-page-1/#comment-14045</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, for everything, Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, for everything, Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://statter911.com/2009/12/15/critically-burned-firefighter-did-not-get-the-same-consideration-as-soon-to-retire-deputy-chief-still-no-explanation-on-who-made-deal-to-let-florida-fire-chief-remain-on-the-rolls-of-the-dc-fire-em/comment-page-1/#comment-14010</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

Thanks for checking in and thanks for the update. I wasn&#039;t that familiar with the Ellerbe story and it&#039;s been interesting to read all the comments. One thing I will say about Chief Ellerbe that I know, he is a smart man and knows the books. He would not make a move like this if there was any doubt of ligitimacy. It&#039;s also interesting to me that his leave of absence is being challenged when so many have used this in the past to maintain the maximun retirement possible. I&#039;m sure if an honest assessment were to be rendered, it would be found to have many Ellerbe&#039;s on the books.

But to set the record straight for some and informing for others especiially Bobby, I&#039;ll be transparent here. I&#039;ll start at the promotion.

At the time of my promotion to Sergeant, I was already on the list for promotion and Interim-Chief Tippett made the desision to promote dispite the DC Manual that stated a fire fighter could not be promoted while on sick leave. He made that decision I believe becuase he believed: 1. that I would make it back to full duty. 2. He believed it was the right thing to do, considering the circumstance. And as a result of him making that decision there were other chiefs who were on sick leave and got promoted as a result. When I took the Lieutenant&#039;s exam I was actually working at the Fire Academy, I passed the exam, did well on my assessment exam and was placed in a promotable position on the list. When the initial promotions came out I was passed over and had to have legal and local 36 representation in order to get my Lieutenants promotion. Even after I received my promotion it almost a year before I recieved my pay.

By doing so, there was a change made on the books that would allow &quot;any firefighter&quot; the opportunity for a one time promotion while in a sick leave status. Which again allowed for other members of the department a chance to take an exam and get promoted despite being on sick leave caused by injury incurred on the job. So, God forbid that you Bobby, would be injured at a time of promotion or exam, but if that were the case thank God you would have the opportunity take the exam and possibly get promoted. Sounds like you have the &quot;HOOK-UP&quot;. 

As far as my pay status, it&#039;s really no one&#039;s business, but Anonymous was correct in his/her explaination. I was origianly retired with 70% of 70% of my pay, which resulted in a gross income of $31,500 per year. After I &quot;GOT HOOKED-UP, LOOKED AFTER, what ever you want to call it.&quot; I receieved approximately another 10,000. There is also the stigma of only being able to make the equalvilent income of a Lieutenant before my disability annuity is challenged and decreased. 

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I appreciate everything that my legal staff, the local and all the members who have prayed and fought on my behalf have done for me, and what I&#039;m receiving in order to provide for my family. God is providing for my needs and has given me more abundantly, peace.

There are so many things that I have witnessed in my time on the DC Fire Department, whites against blacks, blacks against whites, good ol boy clicks, test cheating, answer giving, favortism, but finally ultimate sacrifice. 

When it&#039;s all said and done, who wins and who loses.... we all will lose if we continue to finger point and fight against each other rather than for and with each other.

God Bless all the families that have been affected by the loss of loved ones, early retirements and disabilities, I&#039;m truly sorry that you had to experience this.

As much as I would have liked to have stayed on the DC Fire Department and imparted what knowledge I have,but there was a target on my back, (God Bless you Chief Thompson), I am even more thankful to be in the place that I am, in peace with my Lord Jesus.

God Bless you ALL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Thanks for checking in and thanks for the update. I wasn&#8217;t that familiar with the Ellerbe story and it&#8217;s been interesting to read all the comments. One thing I will say about Chief Ellerbe that I know, he is a smart man and knows the books. He would not make a move like this if there was any doubt of ligitimacy. It&#8217;s also interesting to me that his leave of absence is being challenged when so many have used this in the past to maintain the maximun retirement possible. I&#8217;m sure if an honest assessment were to be rendered, it would be found to have many Ellerbe&#8217;s on the books.</p>
<p>But to set the record straight for some and informing for others especiially Bobby, I&#8217;ll be transparent here. I&#8217;ll start at the promotion.</p>
<p>At the time of my promotion to Sergeant, I was already on the list for promotion and Interim-Chief Tippett made the desision to promote dispite the DC Manual that stated a fire fighter could not be promoted while on sick leave. He made that decision I believe becuase he believed: 1. that I would make it back to full duty. 2. He believed it was the right thing to do, considering the circumstance. And as a result of him making that decision there were other chiefs who were on sick leave and got promoted as a result. When I took the Lieutenant&#8217;s exam I was actually working at the Fire Academy, I passed the exam, did well on my assessment exam and was placed in a promotable position on the list. When the initial promotions came out I was passed over and had to have legal and local 36 representation in order to get my Lieutenants promotion. Even after I received my promotion it almost a year before I recieved my pay.</p>
<p>By doing so, there was a change made on the books that would allow &#8220;any firefighter&#8221; the opportunity for a one time promotion while in a sick leave status. Which again allowed for other members of the department a chance to take an exam and get promoted despite being on sick leave caused by injury incurred on the job. So, God forbid that you Bobby, would be injured at a time of promotion or exam, but if that were the case thank God you would have the opportunity take the exam and possibly get promoted. Sounds like you have the &#8220;HOOK-UP&#8221;. </p>
<p>As far as my pay status, it&#8217;s really no one&#8217;s business, but Anonymous was correct in his/her explaination. I was origianly retired with 70% of 70% of my pay, which resulted in a gross income of $31,500 per year. After I &#8220;GOT HOOKED-UP, LOOKED AFTER, what ever you want to call it.&#8221; I receieved approximately another 10,000. There is also the stigma of only being able to make the equalvilent income of a Lieutenant before my disability annuity is challenged and decreased. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I appreciate everything that my legal staff, the local and all the members who have prayed and fought on my behalf have done for me, and what I&#8217;m receiving in order to provide for my family. God is providing for my needs and has given me more abundantly, peace.</p>
<p>There are so many things that I have witnessed in my time on the DC Fire Department, whites against blacks, blacks against whites, good ol boy clicks, test cheating, answer giving, favortism, but finally ultimate sacrifice. </p>
<p>When it&#8217;s all said and done, who wins and who loses&#8230;. we all will lose if we continue to finger point and fight against each other rather than for and with each other.</p>
<p>God Bless all the families that have been affected by the loss of loved ones, early retirements and disabilities, I&#8217;m truly sorry that you had to experience this.</p>
<p>As much as I would have liked to have stayed on the DC Fire Department and imparted what knowledge I have,but there was a target on my back, (God Bless you Chief Thompson), I am even more thankful to be in the place that I am, in peace with my Lord Jesus.</p>
<p>God Bless you ALL</p>
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		<title>By: DCOIC</title>
		<link>http://statter911.com/2009/12/15/critically-burned-firefighter-did-not-get-the-same-consideration-as-soon-to-retire-deputy-chief-still-no-explanation-on-who-made-deal-to-let-florida-fire-chief-remain-on-the-rolls-of-the-dc-fire-em/comment-page-1/#comment-13998</link>
		<dc:creator>DCOIC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 03:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazed,
The rule is not he must show up for work everyday. The rule is he must work 25 years and be fifty. He has his 25 years. In the orderbook it says anyone can be given up to 1 year of LWOP. I don&#039;t think anyone has said this time is counting towards his retirement. If it is then that is illegal. But the leave of absence is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazed,<br />
The rule is not he must show up for work everyday. The rule is he must work 25 years and be fifty. He has his 25 years. In the orderbook it says anyone can be given up to 1 year of LWOP. I don&#8217;t think anyone has said this time is counting towards his retirement. If it is then that is illegal. But the leave of absence is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Amazed</title>
		<link>http://statter911.com/2009/12/15/critically-burned-firefighter-did-not-get-the-same-consideration-as-soon-to-retire-deputy-chief-still-no-explanation-on-who-made-deal-to-let-florida-fire-chief-remain-on-the-rolls-of-the-dc-fire-em/comment-page-1/#comment-13973</link>
		<dc:creator>Amazed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But DCOIC, even if there is a form for LWOP on the LAN, that time does not count towards time worked.  In the retirmement book, the only approved LWOP is to work for the union and even then you have to pay both sides of the retirement deposits.  The rule is that he has to show up at work everyday until he is 50 or like everyone else, he must wait until he is 55 to get a check. To do otherwise must be done through legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But DCOIC, even if there is a form for LWOP on the LAN, that time does not count towards time worked.  In the retirmement book, the only approved LWOP is to work for the union and even then you have to pay both sides of the retirement deposits.  The rule is that he has to show up at work everyday until he is 50 or like everyone else, he must wait until he is 55 to get a check. To do otherwise must be done through legislation.</p>
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