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Radio woes: Digital radio problems surface in last week’s mayday in Cincinnati. Newspaper looks at the issue.

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Listen to fireground audio from the January 7 fire in Cincinnati

NIOSH report on Colerain fire

Article by Sharon Coolidge at Cincinnati.com:

Hamilton County firefighters hate a communication system that taxpayers spent $35 million on because it doesn’t do what it’s supposed to do when they’re in a burning building: Let them talk to each other.

The radio failures – which some firefighters say happen daily – played a role in the death of two Colerain Township firefighters nearly two years ago and local fire chiefs say if a solution isn’t found other firefighters’ lives are at risk.

The issued surfaced again last week when radio problems resulted in near miss for Cincinnati Firefighter Kevin Phillips who fell down a set of stairs, which knocked his helmet and air mask loose, causing him to become disoriented.

A transcript of the radio transmissions obtained by The Enquirer shows it took three minutes before fire command at the scene responded to the mayday call by Phillips’ partner, an eternity in a burning building, firefighters say.

Cincinnati Fire Chief Robert Wright did not return two calls for comment. Firefighters at the Glenway blaze say Wright met with them Tuesday, listened to their concerns and asked what would help them.

Hamilton County taxpayers spent $35 million on the digital Motorola system which was activated in 2003, replacing a fire radio system that dated to the 1940s and a police system that was nearly as old. The new system was hailed for allowing agencies to talk to each other, an impossibility on the old system.

But problems crop up when more than one firefighter tries to talk at once, resulting in firefighters getting a busy signal when they try to call and in garbled transmissions due to background noise like engines and burning buildings. In addition, metal construction blocks communication when firefighters are inside large buildings like downtown high rises or hospitals.

“We’re finding out this is happening every day, not just in big fires,” said B.J. Jetter, Sycamore Township Fire Chief and president of the Hamilton County Fire Chiefs Association.

“And not only with fire and EMS, but for police too,” he said. “It’s system wide.”

The issue came to the forefront in April 2008, when Colerain fire Capt. Robin Broxterman and firefighter Brian Schira died in a blaze on Squirrel’s Nest Lane. A review of the radio calls made during the fire showed the firefighters repeatedly made mayday calls, which were never transmitted.

“I don’t think the full impact or level of concern (about the issue) was realized until we were able to see the radio call log from the Squirrel’s Nest fire,” said Colerain Fire Chief Bruce Smith.

Broxterman’s parents are suing over the fatal fire, naming in the lawsuit among others, Motorola.

The problem became evident to all county public safety agencies during the Sept. 14, 2008, windstorm. All agencies were trying to use the radios at once. While that is an extreme situation, it locked up radios and prevented people from communicating.

County communication center officials questioned Motorola about possible fixes, but there isn’t a solution right now, the company told the county, said Mike Bailey, of the Hamilton County Communication Center.

“This is not an extreme emergency at this point, but it is a very big concern,” Bailey said.

A Motorola spokesman in charge of public safety for North America did not return a call for comment.

Cincinnati Fire department spokesman Capt. Michael Washington said the current system is better than the old one, and the department must work with what it has.

As the county grapples with what to do, Jetter said firefighters, police officers and the public are in danger. “It gives me heartburn that we have this situation,” he said.

Fire departments nationwide have reported problems with the digital radios.

The city of Phoenix has the same system, but when fighting a blaze the fire department uses the old analog system that transmits calls radio to radio, instead of through a computer system.

The International Association of Fire Fighters is now recommending fire department not use digital systems in fires.

“Radios are the most important piece of safety equipment a firefighter has,” said Richard Duffy, assistant to the president of the international union. “If you can’t communicate on the fire ground, you put yourself and others at risk.”

Duffy said Motorola should be held accountable.

Jetter said the problem is so bad it’s almost like having no communication at all. “We’re going back to the old days of using runners, where somebody runs in to deliver a message,” he said. “In an age of technology, this shouldn’t be an issue.”

Cincinnati Fire Union President Marc Monahan said last week’s missed mayday call “could have been really bad.” “We’ve had problems, we’ve pointed them out and nothing has been done,” he said. “Hopefully, this is enough evidence that will force some changes.”

The union plans to once again address the issue with fire administrators at the quarterly safety committee meeting Wednesday. Jetter said he’s not sure what the solution is. “We can complain all we want,” he said. “I don’t know how this gets resolved.”

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  1. DC2 says

    Departments in CT that are transitioning to digital are using analog symplex fireground channels to communicate from IC to FFs,& FFs to FFs. They are investing big $ in repeaters that take the 700mhz analog and kick it out into trunking.
    We have tested FFs on scba using digital trunking channel and found it to be terrible.
    The way to get “around” digital is to use analog symplex channels, ie. radio to radio. “old school”.

    on January 16, 2010 @ 7:25 am. Reply
  2. Anonymous says

    This is happening all over the country, but it goes ignored until something happens. It’s a real shame that administrators and Chiefs aren’t listening to their men about some issues that could have serious consequences.

    on January 16, 2010 @ 11:21 am. Reply
  3. Buster says

    Just a couple thoughts….

    Why do FFs not activate their emergency banners? Is it a training issue?

    The logging recorder obviously heard it loud and clear. Why did the dispatcher not react and prompt the IC?

    Digital is very different. Analog trunking had its issues as well (open carriers due to bumped mics – simulcast distortion).

    I agree with analog simplex on firegrounds is a viable solution if there are problems. Just wish we could have emergency buttons work the same when you switch to those channels.

    on January 16, 2010 @ 11:38 am. Reply
  4. DC2 says

    The reason we are investing big $ in repeaters ($18,000 per vehicle) is to make sure IC and Dispatch can both hear a “mayday” call given on a symplex fireground channel.
    Fireground radio traffic is repeated for all to hear making sure that urgent messages dont get missed.
    Digital trunking gives us better coverage over Analog trunking, as long as you have enough repeater sites, but is a serious safety issue when members are transmitting interior on scba.
    Therefor our policy is that only IC is on Digital trunking communicating with Dispatch & responding apparatus while all others are working off of symplex.

    on January 16, 2010 @ 1:44 pm. Reply
  5. Pierhead says

    We wenst from low band radio’s to high band then to Motorola’s 800′s. We kept our high band for fire ground communicatons, they work every time not like Motorola 800′s. We were forced to go along because our 911 system and the State of Michigan didn’t want any other system to be comingled on there towers. Now the big kicker is the State of Michigan has run out of ID numbers for radio’s and fire departments are stuck with thousands of dollars worth of radios that can’t be used. It was a good thing we kept our $400.00 units which were a 1/4 of the costs of the Mororola 800′s.
    Pierhead

    on January 16, 2010 @ 8:38 pm. Reply
  6. totwtytr says

    As with trunked radio, digital looks very sexy when administrators are writing RFPs. The truth is that, as with trunked systems, digital radio has to be perfectly engineered to work correctly 100% of the time. I’m fortunate to work in a city where the public safety communications people are committed to building and maintaining quality analog conventional radio systems. I think by law all public safety communications should be analog and conventional, but I’m sure that’s not a popular opinion, especially with radio system salesmen.

    on January 17, 2010 @ 12:12 am. Reply
  7. Buster says

    “I think by law all public safety communications should be analog and conventional, but I’m sure that’s not a popular opinion, especially with radio system salesmen.”

    I recommend you petition the FCC. EVERYTHING they are doing is moving systems to digital spectrum efficient technologies. Nothing sexy about digital to administrators. It is quickly becoming the only thing offered in the market. You can’t get an analog trunked system with the feature public safety has come to expect. I would have preferred analog, but they would not sell it.

    on January 17, 2010 @ 3:02 pm. Reply
  8. WackyDude says

    Anyone see a pattern? Motorola is a huge problem. Here in Indy they pay off whoever they need to. Firefighters die because of this and no one cares at all. I hope the family’s sue the heck out of everyone involved with the radio system.

    on January 17, 2010 @ 5:36 pm. Reply
  9. Anonymous says

    The city of Phoenix has the same system, but when fighting a blaze the fire department uses the old analog system that transmits calls radio to radio, instead of through a computer system.

    So whats the point of having the new system? might as well be alerted and respond on the analog…..analog worked fine.
    what a scam.

    on January 19, 2010 @ 11:50 am. Reply

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