Image of handcuffed battalion chief (on guardrail) from Firefighter Close Calls.
From the AP:
The California Highway Patrol is investigating why a firefighter was handcuffed for refusing to move a fire engine from a freeway in Santa Barbara County.
CHP Capt. Jeff Sgobba says the incident on Feb. 15 was rare, regrettable and embarrassing.
The confrontation took place in Montecito when CHP officers responded to a freeway crash that caused minor injuries.
Sgobba says arriving Montecito firefighters blocked the fast lane with an engine to shield responding authorities from traffic.
Sgobba says a CHP officer ordered the rig moved and handcuffed a fire battalion chief who refused. The firefighter was released when a CHP supervisor arrived a short time later.
No charges have been filed.
Billy Goldfeder at The Secret List has more details and says a ticket was issued:
The crash occurred on the center divide, there were 2 vehicles involved, 6 patients, 1 known minor injury. The squad crew pulled past the fire engine, then it blocks the lane to provide a safe working area, (per FD SOP). Before we go further, it should be noted that the MFD normally have-and are quite proud of-the excellent relationship they enjoy daily with the CHP and area law enforcement officers. This is an isolated and rare incident.
At this point the recently assigned (very new to that area) CHP officer tells the Battalion Chief that the apparatus cannot block the lane because it will cause too much traffic backup, and to move the rig. The Battalion Chief tells him no, that he needs his crew protected until they take up from the run. About one minute from the time the BC goes on scene, the BC is now on the radio asking for a CHP supervisor to be sent to the scene. Next thing the crew saw was the CHP officer handcuffing/arresting the Battalion Chief.
At this point, the Firefighters had not even made patient contact yet. The CHP officer then goes to the Fire Captain and tells him the same thing, move the engine or “I am going to arrest you and the (Fire Engineer) as well”. Then the CHP Officer called for a heavy tow truck to tow the fire apparatus off the freeway.
The Fire Captain finally gave in as the fire dispatcher warned him that the heavy tow was 2 minutes out. Within a few minutes, the CHP officers supervisor showed up and un-cuffed the Battalion Chief. The original arresting officer then went back over to the Battalion Chief and gave him an “obstructing a police officer with an investigation ticket”.
Turns out the CHP officer just transferred from Bakersfield to that area less than 2 weeks ago. The picture on our home page is the Battalion Chief sitting handcuffed against the center guardrail. The ticket still stands and they haven’t heard what is up with the CHP officer, but he never backed down. It seemed like he never felt like he did anything wrong. Seeya in Court.
So now, what is the next thing that should happen? Why, naturally, someone in the “public safety community” almost always attempts to “take the edge off” (lighten up the situation). Sooooo, some fun-loving Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Deputies stopped by the firehouse right after that incident with 2 cakes, and one had a file in it. Are those SBSO Deputies funny or what!?
On a more serious note. the CHP Night watch Sergeant came over to the firehouse too and couldn’t apologize enough. We’re pretty sure this will be taken care of-both short term and long term.
The original story was done by the Santa Barbara News-Press. You will be required to register and log-in to read it.
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- Parking ticket battles police vs. fire. Real one in Pittsburgh. Fake one in Montreal. – October 27, 2011
- Pre-arrival video: Five-alarm fire in Santa Clara, CA. Townhomes under construction threaten occupied buildings. Video from four sides. – May 12, 2012
- UPDATED: Northwest Fire District firefighters & medics talk about Tucson shooting. Plus, sheriff’s department radio traffic. – January 15, 2011
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What a bunch of bull! Our safety comes first and if that cop wants to arrest one of our own, he’s got another thing coming. We need to work together as a “big” family and let others do what they need to do!
Too many highway cops feel that they must ‘flex their muscles’ when firefighters close lanes to slow traffic and provide a safe work area while performing extrications, medical care or firefighting operations on high speed roadways. These same police officers will completely close a highway to conduct an accident investigation or protect a crime scene. As a long time firefighter, I understand the P.D.’s need to close a roadway for their investigations … why is it that so many folks in law enforcement are unable to accept the fact that the fire service needs to be able to do the same when they are working on a roadway?
Kudos to the Battalion Chief who stood his ground and protected his personnel as well as the civilians involved in the crash. The Chief deserves a commendation from local officials and the police officer deserves a desk job without a sidearm …
In Québec (province) we have a law that states we can do whatever is needed to ensure protection of people (public, victims and/or responders)… The only thing is cops don’t always know.
Do they have the same? I hope that cop is sent home for a few days to think bout is actions…
Helmets off to this BC who put his own career down in front of his firefighters for their safety. If I’m not mistaken, CHP has the ultimate authority on California Highways and trumps any agency involved with incident mitigation. I guess the saying “Absolute power corrupts absolutely” is right. Or, it at least allows certain people to act like knuckleheads. Maybe, Governor Schwarzenegger will sign into law legislation that will not allow anything like this to ever happen again.
Crazy cops! Get off you’re damn high horse and realize you’re a public servant just like we are! I hope this cop is suspended and an example made of him! We shouldn’t need legislation of common sense!
Somebody better send PONCH to some retraining. He’s the type of cop that winds up getting PUNCH’d in the teeth. The driver of that apparatus should’a threw that truck in reverse and squashed that motorcycle into a pancake. That cop sure puts the jerk in cop.
In Ohio, The fire chief or his designate is in charge of any emergency scene. I remember years ago, a state trooper was doing the “we need to get the roadway open” bit fire personnel on the scene. The IC threatened to have a sheriff deputy called to the scene to remove the trooper for misconduct at an emergency. The trooper quickly backed down.
New or not, the CHP officer should be transferred away from the paradise of Santa Barbara and sent to the hell of Blythe or maybe Needles. Screw him.
Kudos to the BC for standing up for his people, hopefully, there is more to the story in regards to the fire captain’s decision. If not – shame, shame on him.
Safety should always come first. Always. While I can understand the logic the officer was using it was not appropriate for this situation. Putting the BC in cuffs is completely inexcusable though. Honestly, if you need to take a stand do it after the situation is SAFE! This whole thing is just disgusting,(the exception being the file-cake).
Too bad the Captain gave in. I would have told him to F@@K OFF…and then took the bolt cutters off my rig and cut the cuffs off my Chief! Screw that cocky bastard.
This happened in PG county about 10 or so years ago. It involved a volunteer chief and a Maryland state police officer on I95. The situation was a little different in that the entire highway was shutdown so apparatus could respond the wrong way up the highway to avoid rush hour traffic. It went so far as a bench trial and the Volunteer Chief was found not guilty on all charges. The judge even pointed out that the Firefighter had the higher medical authority and therefore actually had control of the scene.
Go back to Bakersfield where you can push people around. You work for us, the taxpayer. Your job is to SERVE and PROTECT not to TICKET & HARRASS.
mabey the CHP officer didn’t have his donut that morning. the bc did the right thing. this should have never got to the point of hand cuffs. the CHP officer should be ashamed of himself and he should be riding a desk for a while.
So let me get this straight. A high ranking officer aka fire battalion chief doing what they do all day, SAVING PEOPLE LIVES sometimes at the risk of their own (true meaing of “to protect and to serve) get arrested by THE NAZI REGIME for doing his job, again protecting others from traffic because um.. DUH there’s an accident, that’s what they get paid and trained to do!
So this retarded REJECT of a NAZI aka CHP Capt. Jeff Sgobba has the audacity to arrest/cuff and ticket a Fire Dept Chief for protecting his crew and the public?
And here we thought terrorist were the bad guys and retarded humans amongst the living.
CHP Capt. Jeff Sgobba you need a psychological and mental evaulation and someone should take your gun away. Go work at the mall for security or something. What a waist of our tax dollars
cops…..
My city fire rescue unit was detailed to city pd hq to teach CPR to the boys in blue. It’s big & red…….
3 hours later we had a ticket on the rig for parking in a police only parking area !
SERVE & PROTECT…
It appears the officer in question has parked his motorcycle in such a manner that if the Engine and BC’s vehicle had been moved, the pretty flashing lights on his motorcycle would have offered no warning to oncoming motorists (in the fast lane) of the upcoming obstruction.
I suggest the officer in question be reassigned to Pen Island (read it slowly), he seems to have the personality that would serve the residents of that island well.
They should have had the CHP officer arrested for interfering with a Fire Officer in the performance of their duty.
Was that CHP even concerned about the persons involved in the accident might need immediate medical care? Would he take the responsibility if someone did die because of the delay?
1. Was the CHP even concerned about the people involved in the accident might need immediate medical care?
2. If the CHP’s action caused delay for immediate medical care and thus cause death, would he (or Who would?) take the responsibility?
Ive said it before…if the cops want total control on a scene, pack up the gear and leave, making sure to inform all involved that Officer Butthead is now in charge and all questions and requests for extrication, medical care and firefighting should be directed to him, Meanwhile we are leaving!
This poor little man is just mad like most cops are, mad BECAUSE THEY COULDN’T PASS THE TEST TO BE A FIREFIGHTER……JEALOUSY, JEALOUSY..JEALOUSY.
Listen to the press report, and both the CHP and FD spokespeople carefully. This sounds more like the clash of two Type A personalities that BOTH were spending more time flexing their muscles in a childish yes you are, no I’m not confrontation that is better left to the sandbox at the playground. This could have all been avoided with simple, open communication between the two of them. Two lunkheads, now everyone has egg on their face.
Oh, and if the battalion chief shown handcuffed is so concerned with the safety of his crew on a highway incident, then why is only one of his firefighters in the picture wearing now mandated high-visibility apparel? (I’ll bet that’s in their SOP’s too) The BC has nothing other than station apparel on. Chiefs – the first step in incident safety for your personnel is that you LEAD by example. http://www.respondersafety.com – read it, learn it, practice it.
It sounds like someone is going to be transferred AGAIN. This sort of situation happened 20-some years ago between a MSP trooper and the driver of Rockville RS3. Back then, MSP’s only concern was opening the road to traffic. Those days are over. Now, MSP’s attitude is , F* ‘em, they can sit until we’re done and thanks for the fire truck block.
And just for argument’s sake, let’s not compare anyone to Nazis unless they’ve committed genocide. That’s the standard, not being an overzealous cop.
A similar incident cost a Hazelwood P.D., MO police officer $17,500 in a civil suit brought against him by the Robertson F.D. Captain he arrested at an accident scene. See http://www.firerescue1.com/firefighter-safety/articles/350877-Fire-captain-arrested-for-apparatus-placement-awarded-17-500-in-Mo/
This kinda of stuff NEVER happens in California. We always seem to hear this from another part of the country. Yea, CHP always wants us to get the freeway/Highway moving ASAP. And We have had arguments onscene before. But when we say we are protecting your officers as well our fireman, they usually reply with “OK”.
I have ran on hundreds of highway/freeway calls and have never had any dis-agreement go this bad. Even with a badge heavy cop.
I would have done the samething as the BC-STOOD MY GROUND. I am shocked the Captain gave in. I would have said “tow it”. Then let dispatch know we are out of service…
Peace
I have been in law enforcement since 1982. Both as a local cop and now as a fed. I can honestly say that this is one of the most unbelieveble things I have heard in a long long time. Arresting a FF ON the scene of a TC and leaving him in cuffs for all the passing traffic to see? Are you kidding? There HAS to be more to this than what we are hearing about. This is a HUGE lawsuit against the CHP and the State of CA. At a time when CA is bankrupt. My PD in OK got along great with the FD. If one of our guys had done this (if there are no further causal reasons forthcoming) he/she would have been a pariah on the job. He/She would be given desk duty no doubt about it. When the FD showed up on TCs that I worked they were given anything and everything they needed to help the victims. I did not care one bit about “impedeing traffic”. My God. How would that CHP trooper like it if it were his kid, wife or parents in the car crash? Man oh man. I would not want to be him right now. I remember what happened to a officer in NM when I was a brand new federal agent. Enroute to a triple homicide on the reservation he stopped me in my vehicle as I was running to the scene (to help the res cops by the way due to the suspect still being in the area and armed) Code Three. I thought he was following me to the scene but he pulled up next to me and motioned me to pull over. I did so and he started to berate me and wanted to know why I was driving so fast. I only had about a year on the job so I just sat there. Now, after 20 years on the job I would not have even stopped. But he wrote me a ticket even though I was enroute to a 10-33 call. Thank God everything was OK at the scene. The bad guy offed himself. Once the officer’s chief found out about it (from the Indian PD) he came unglued. Last I heard the guy has never been promoted and is still languishing in anonymity and has never lived it down. Discretion folks. Plus a little common sense might help too. Wow.
If the head of the CHP doesn’t fire that cop, the governor should fire the head of the CHP and hire a new head of CHP who will fire the senseless *@/=+*. I hope that the BC files suit and wins a lot from the cop, hopefully many tens of thousands of dollars. That guy shouldn’t be allowed to be a civilian school crossing guard or any other position where he has any authority over anyone.
I agree with what has been said so far but If the Captain had said Tow it as I would have .. would the tow operator have told the chp officer – I cannot do that safely – find another hook.
Then what would have happened ???
As a Fire Chief I realize that operating on any highway is as dangerous as anything we do. When we are blocking to protect emergency personnel that includes law enforcement. How many law enforcement officers are killed every year on our roadways? Those statistics should be enough to prove this officers actions were dead wrong.
My brother is a FF and my brother-in-law owns a tow truck business. Around here the tows are used to block traffic for the safety of all responders.
This guy is either very unstable or there is more to the story, as that is just weird, I wouldn’t move my rig either, are you going to arrest all of us…someone needs reassigning to the meter maid service…
The B/C should have called for a fire marshall and had the cop run in for interfering with a fire fighter or better still the B/Cs should have thier own arrest power and hand cuffs.
Maybe it is just me, but I notice in the pictures that Mr. CHP parked his bike within the cordon placed by the first responders vehicles. You think maybe he thought that was the safest place to be? Wonder why?! Could it be because that is why it is done?? To protect victims and responders!! What a goob!!
Much of this problem was caused by the narcissistic, cavalier, and arrogant attitude of Career FFs who think they can do whatever they want because they are empowered by their corrupt union (IAFF). Cooler heads should have prevailed on both sides. There has to be a balance between having traffic flow at a reasonable pace vs. the overprotection of the accident scene which may cause a dangerous situation to other drivers and restrict the free flow of traffic. It is obvious that a reasonable buffer zone is required between the traffic and the accident scene. I agree with USAsince1680 that the fire truck did not have to take up an additional full lane which would certainly affect traffic.
CHP is the commanding agency at an accident scene on the Freeway. It is, therefore, incumbent upon the Fire Department to be respectful of the CHP and their decision when safety was not compromised. And it looks like in this case, it was not. Turf wars happen when powerful unions overprotect their members at the expense of the public. Of the Volunteer FFs that I know, they would not have acted in this bigheaded manner.
What is a Battalion Chief doing (at a minor accident scene) without the proper protective clothing when a whole engine crew is there to do the job? I guess he wasn’t needed after all because for most of the time, he was handcuffed to the guard rail where he belonged after behaving like a child, and disregarding the commanding officer’s orders.
This is gonna be one of those things that will probably never happen again. Where I work, we share a strong bond with the CHP. They come to our Firehouse, do some of their reports here, bs with us, and allow us full control on any accident on our local freeways. The boys didn’t have kind words to say about that CHP officer either.
Loads of great comments,the truth is this guy should never work for any emergency service again, ever! That “law abiding” cop may want to look over the Fed guidelines for highway safety/response like we have and I hope he gets to do it from a jail cell.
Everyone knows fire has full control over scene , the cops and everyone else has to follow the fire depts word . The cops have no word over them I have been A Fire Fighter and now a Cop . I would never treat A Fire Fighter like that . the cop should lose a few days paid time and have a write up in his file . also the cop should go to the house and clean all the trucks and hang the hose ol school.
It looks from what other people have wrote so far . That when your In trouble you call 911 but when this cop needs help and lets face it he will, he might want to call a crack head in stead of the fire dept. Every man and woman who dons a badge wheather it read police , fire , or Ems they lay there life on the line every minute of every day . They help the rich and the poor and lets speak the truth that fire dept will even help that cop one day . I have been in need of saving twice I will back up any one no matter what . I am true BLUE but I bleed blood RED . I thank god for each person who is out there .
To Frank9700,
read the public safety guidelines moron. Anytime the fire dept. is called to a scene they have full control of it within reason of course. IE:hostage situation. Further more the fire dept was doing all what was necessary for THEIR safety. The traffic flow is far less important than any firefighter, emt or for this matter police safety to their lives and with them working by the ‘fast’ lane they took the neccesary precautions. Drivers should be more alert of their surroundings but that truck is our buffer. If you have anytime out in the field you should know we as firefighters are first on scene and not knowing what is really goin on the first couple minutes upon arrival and the first thing your taught in school is look out for you first, then your fellow brothers or sisters. Many fire depts that i’m familiar with have protocols or guidelines that if on any accident scene one or more lane is to be kept between traffic and safety personnel. I have been a firefighter/EMT for 6 yrs and i have had a few close calls. Yes the police have guns but we have the know how and the highest command on scene.
So Frank9700 if you have anything else to say come git it. Otherwise the officer was in the wrong and the firefighter in the right.
Be safe my fellow brothers and sisters,
Nathan Opfer
you guys should find out all the facts before just running your mouths about something. its called 148 PC thats what the BC was arrested. people find it pretty easy to monday night quaterback something before they actually find out the real facts. an old man has a bloody nose from an air bag and like always fire tries to “body snatch” the BC was a joke and got what was coming to him and the officer has been working in SB since 2005 maybe the paper should do a little thing called real reporting before they print that crap
i agree with nathan opfer.
This cop was being a dick. He mand this firefighter look bad to the public. Asshole. Maybe he should have moved the firetruck and let the officer get hit by a semi. Then just let him lay there and suffer. The firefighter was not only protecting the crew but also that sorry officer. and whoever wrote above me is as stupid as the cop. if this cop was on the job since 2005 then he should know that firefighters block off the lane EVERYTIME no matter what.