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	<title>Comments on: Is there more to this story? You be the judge of whether a firefighter should lose his job for helping the injured on a sick day.</title>
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		<title>By: WackyDude</title>
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		<dc:creator>WackyDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That &quot;Chief&quot; should be ashamed of himself. What a horrible excuse of a firefighter. I would advise this &quot;Chief&quot; to quit now. He better not show his face around any Fire Service activities.

The guy was doing the right thing! He got up out of his house and went to help. The story even admits they had a extended response.

By the way any records are subject to the FOIA besides HIPPA protected ones. Sue the crap out of them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That &#8220;Chief&#8221; should be ashamed of himself. What a horrible excuse of a firefighter. I would advise this &#8220;Chief&#8221; to quit now. He better not show his face around any Fire Service activities.</p>
<p>The guy was doing the right thing! He got up out of his house and went to help. The story even admits they had a extended response.</p>
<p>By the way any records are subject to the FOIA besides HIPPA protected ones. Sue the crap out of them!</p>
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		<title>By: SCFF</title>
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		<dc:creator>SCFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 01:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Georgetown City FD, well....I think the chief was wrond, say what you want about him, but you never know, some city admin toolbag may have been the one who did this. Most of the elected officals around the SC coast are toolbags, and they make a ton of really poor decisions. If it was the chief, wonder if he would have done the same thing if it was one of his family members??? There is a question for ya Joey Tanner....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Georgetown City FD, well&#8230;.I think the chief was wrond, say what you want about him, but you never know, some city admin toolbag may have been the one who did this. Most of the elected officals around the SC coast are toolbags, and they make a ton of really poor decisions. If it was the chief, wonder if he would have done the same thing if it was one of his family members??? There is a question for ya Joey Tanner&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, being a trained responder, did he have a &quot;duty&quot; to act (even in an off-duty environment) when he was specifically requested to help? 

Recall the recent flap in NYC where two &quot;off-duty&quot; EMS dispatchers with EMT training were disciplined for supposedly not rendering aid to someone who was sick in the restaurant where they were on their &quot;off the clock&quot; lunch break.  Did they have a duty to act even though they were not technically &quot;on duty?&quot;

Can you imagine the grief and potential retributions if the neighbor&#039;s child had suffered debilitating injuries or death?  Imagine the guilt trip that would be facing that &quot;sick&quot; firefighter!  What about the personal issues he would face (both in his own mind and that of his family and friends) if that injured child had been ignored by him?  Gee, isn&#039;t that a person making a self-sacrifice to help others?  The good Samaritan?  Some might say no good deed goes unpunished??

In most goverment agencies, there is usually an employee handbook that outline disciplinary procedures, including hearings and appeals.  Most outline a progressive systems of warnings, suspensions, etc. with termination usually defined as a &quot;last resort&quot; to deal with an employee.  Courts have consistently ruled that if a handbook with such rules in published/issued, then the terms, conditions, and procedures are binding on both the employer and employee. Even in an &quot;at will&quot; state.  In such a state, many employers won&#039;t even give a reason for the termination since they can then be challenged via the legal process to back-up that claim with irrefutable &quot;evidence&quot;.  Many ex-employees win these legal claims and receive compensation, new jobs, promotions, etc. depending upon the actual claim made.

There are consultants that tell employers that they may be better off not creating a written policy/personnel manual just to avoid such challenges.

As for me personally, I would want my &quot;sick&quot; neighbor to take care of my child (or me) if I was in trouble, even if it is only for a few minutes until the &quot;on-duty&quot; professionals arrive.  In sme situations, a few minutes and a few simple procedures may save a life!

And as a retired firefighter and paramedic, I can recall many situations where I was requested to response to my neighbor&#039;s emergency, even when I was sick or otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, being a trained responder, did he have a &#8220;duty&#8221; to act (even in an off-duty environment) when he was specifically requested to help? </p>
<p>Recall the recent flap in NYC where two &#8220;off-duty&#8221; EMS dispatchers with EMT training were disciplined for supposedly not rendering aid to someone who was sick in the restaurant where they were on their &#8220;off the clock&#8221; lunch break.  Did they have a duty to act even though they were not technically &#8220;on duty?&#8221;</p>
<p>Can you imagine the grief and potential retributions if the neighbor&#8217;s child had suffered debilitating injuries or death?  Imagine the guilt trip that would be facing that &#8220;sick&#8221; firefighter!  What about the personal issues he would face (both in his own mind and that of his family and friends) if that injured child had been ignored by him?  Gee, isn&#8217;t that a person making a self-sacrifice to help others?  The good Samaritan?  Some might say no good deed goes unpunished??</p>
<p>In most goverment agencies, there is usually an employee handbook that outline disciplinary procedures, including hearings and appeals.  Most outline a progressive systems of warnings, suspensions, etc. with termination usually defined as a &#8220;last resort&#8221; to deal with an employee.  Courts have consistently ruled that if a handbook with such rules in published/issued, then the terms, conditions, and procedures are binding on both the employer and employee. Even in an &#8220;at will&#8221; state.  In such a state, many employers won&#8217;t even give a reason for the termination since they can then be challenged via the legal process to back-up that claim with irrefutable &#8220;evidence&#8221;.  Many ex-employees win these legal claims and receive compensation, new jobs, promotions, etc. depending upon the actual claim made.</p>
<p>There are consultants that tell employers that they may be better off not creating a written policy/personnel manual just to avoid such challenges.</p>
<p>As for me personally, I would want my &#8220;sick&#8221; neighbor to take care of my child (or me) if I was in trouble, even if it is only for a few minutes until the &#8220;on-duty&#8221; professionals arrive.  In sme situations, a few minutes and a few simple procedures may save a life!</p>
<p>And as a retired firefighter and paramedic, I can recall many situations where I was requested to response to my neighbor&#8217;s emergency, even when I was sick or otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like any story, there`s something we all don`t know about going on here. &quot;Forced&quot; to resign? OK, when I terminated someone, I terminated them. I didn`t suggest that they resign. Sounds fishy to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like any story, there`s something we all don`t know about going on here. &#8220;Forced&#8221; to resign? OK, when I terminated someone, I terminated them. I didn`t suggest that they resign. Sounds fishy to me.</p>
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		<title>By: MN Firefighter</title>
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		<dc:creator>MN Firefighter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, AnonymousNOVAEngineDriver.  Very well said, great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, AnonymousNOVAEngineDriver.  Very well said, great post.</p>
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		<title>By: AnonymousNOVAEngineDriver</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnonymousNOVAEngineDriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s no wonder that people don&#039;t step up more often and come to the aid of people in need.  How many times do we sit back and watch people dying on amateur video because nobody intervened?  This adminstration should be ashamed of themselves.  We are sworn an oath and that involves a &quot;DUTY TO ACT&quot;.  Was he capable of riding a backstep and performing at 100% capacity on a working fire?  Maybe not.  Was his &quot;virus&quot; capable of placing his co-workers and potential patients at risk, absolutely.  Regardless of his ailment, he is a known public servant in his community and when presented with an emergency nearly at his doorstep, he (as most other brother and sister firefighters would have) stepped up to the plate to assist.  Had he not, and was known to have been home watching from the window, how would that reflect the department?  If the injuries were more life threatening or fatal he would have to live with the ramifications of not intervening.  Hats off to you brother!  Assemble a good legal team and bury those bastards!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s no wonder that people don&#8217;t step up more often and come to the aid of people in need.  How many times do we sit back and watch people dying on amateur video because nobody intervened?  This adminstration should be ashamed of themselves.  We are sworn an oath and that involves a &#8220;DUTY TO ACT&#8221;.  Was he capable of riding a backstep and performing at 100% capacity on a working fire?  Maybe not.  Was his &#8220;virus&#8221; capable of placing his co-workers and potential patients at risk, absolutely.  Regardless of his ailment, he is a known public servant in his community and when presented with an emergency nearly at his doorstep, he (as most other brother and sister firefighters would have) stepped up to the plate to assist.  Had he not, and was known to have been home watching from the window, how would that reflect the department?  If the injuries were more life threatening or fatal he would have to live with the ramifications of not intervening.  Hats off to you brother!  Assemble a good legal team and bury those bastards!</p>
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		<title>By: Around the Fire Web &#124; Firegeezer</title>
		<link>http://statter911.com/2010/07/28/is-there-more-to-this-story-you-be-the-judge-of-whether-a-firefighter-should-lose-his-job-for-helping-the-injured-on-a-sick-day/comment-page-1/#comment-24085</link>
		<dc:creator>Around the Fire Web &#124; Firegeezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] *  STATter911 has a strange story about a FF who was fired because he helped a neighbor who was injured in an auto wreck.  His sin was to do it on a day he had called in sick at the FD.  See if you can figure out the reasoning HERE. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] *  STATter911 has a strange story about a FF who was fired because he helped a neighbor who was injured in an auto wreck.  His sin was to do it on a day he had called in sick at the FD.  See if you can figure out the reasoning HERE. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WBFD</title>
		<link>http://statter911.com/2010/07/28/is-there-more-to-this-story-you-be-the-judge-of-whether-a-firefighter-should-lose-his-job-for-helping-the-injured-on-a-sick-day/comment-page-1/#comment-24083</link>
		<dc:creator>WBFD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tommy is there a need to type with the caps on? WE GET IT YOU&#039;RE UPSET PEOPLE ARE BASHING CHIEF TANNER. Let&#039;s calm the frig down and get out of bed with Chief Tanner. The thing is Tanner was looking for a reason to fire him because he fired him right after this sick day incident. If he was going to fire him for something else that he did wrong then why didn&#039;t Tanner just come out and say the real reasons that he was fired for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy is there a need to type with the caps on? WE GET IT YOU&#8217;RE UPSET PEOPLE ARE BASHING CHIEF TANNER. Let&#8217;s calm the frig down and get out of bed with Chief Tanner. The thing is Tanner was looking for a reason to fire him because he fired him right after this sick day incident. If he was going to fire him for something else that he did wrong then why didn&#8217;t Tanner just come out and say the real reasons that he was fired for?</p>
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		<title>By: Mohrmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mohrmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No it is not a firing offense. They train us to help. Just because you call in sick does not mean you have to lay in bed for 24 hours. If he was at a bar or fishing, further investigation would be needed. According to what we know, he was just doing what he was trained to do. There has to be more to the story on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it is not a firing offense. They train us to help. Just because you call in sick does not mean you have to lay in bed for 24 hours. If he was at a bar or fishing, further investigation would be needed. According to what we know, he was just doing what he was trained to do. There has to be more to the story on both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: The Capt</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Capt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, in PG County he would have been given a medal. Just saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, in PG County he would have been given a medal. Just saying.</p>
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