This is from a fire just before 3:00 AM Saturday morning in West Plains, Missouri.
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Whats up with the first dues parking job? After waking every cow in the area with the Q, it nosed on the lawn? Was that for his dash camera? Of course it was going to flash, you snap open the front door numerous times with a smoke profile of thick, black, turbulent smoke and the action is going to have a direct effect of fire behavior, luckily the guy came out before it lit up otherwise this would be on Billy G website. That fire was a born loser to start.
His dash cam is there for safety reasons obviously. Not for footage reasons and if it was for footage, he would have parked it to where he could SEE the fire. And the smoke wasn't black and thick. The smoke and fire was being pushed out the rear of the exterior, where the fire was. The reason for the sudden fire was because of the structure. It was an all rock structure and the heat built up. And the door HAD to be opened to fight the fire. You can't fight fire by staring at it! Lol! And notice….the structure was SAVED. That's because the department is AGRESSIVE and they don't just watch structures burn.
How else do you think they are going to fight it, FireMedicSeth? You have to get the water on the fire. I say awesome job, boys! Way to kick…..fire! Never stand and watch. Fight, fight, fight! Love your vids! Will subscribe for sure!
For really serious and valuable comments about this video go directly to the YouTube site where firefighters make many important comments – good job West Plains.
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Well, negative comments and positive comments are all important when it is in regards to fire videos. That's why the videos are uploaded to begin with. Training purposes. But my view on this video is…the fire was knocked down quickly and the structure was saved. So, it was a great save. They had an agressive attack. They got the fire knocked down. All in all, job well done!
Love how the fire was knocked down! Oh yeah!!!! Way to go, boys!
Good videos. 1st line in the door was not being operated at the correct pressure resulting in a "pee stream". 2nd line in the side window was producing sufficient gpm thus knocking fire. Too bad the 1st line was not being pumped correctly. Good job though. It's nice to see a helmet cam that shows some firefighting, not just 3rd due steam.
This was a very poor showing. How long did it take for a line to be stretched? Once that line was stretched the nozzleman just held it. If we want fire to go out we need to move our nozzle buddy. As for knocking fire down through windows, yes it works. It doesnt push fire around as many people think and this was recently proven by NIST. Heres a question though, if we are gonna go defensive (aka outside as was seen by the guys sitting on the front step) why are we using small lines and sitting right in the collapse zone. If that isnt what we want to do here, why are we sitting outside the structure? Make a quick knock and go get it. Our gear is better than it has ever been and we have the luxoury of SCBA. Go it it! As for fire girl, your enthusiasm is appreciated but your comments add nothing to this debate. Perhapse if Dave Statter needs a fire service cheer leader for B-Team fire departments it could be you.
Stay Safe and Stay Low!
Heads-up play by the helmet-cam FF. Recognized that there was too much fire for the first line, and went immediately to the duece and a half.
Well…where to start? Take it that during the 2000’ trip while driving from the station to the scene it seems this is a rural town with “NO” hydrants. So if this was the case water application being put on the red stuff is crucial, especially if there are no tankers (big water trucks) placed on the initial dispatch. Having the right size line, placed in the appropriate location will make or break your fire attack. I’m not for sure what these boys first did when they arrived on the scene but when helmet cam guy showed up in his POV fire attack looked like it wasn’t being done. It looked like another bread and butter fire that with one line and set of “co-honas” should’ve put out in a short time. Pulling the back-up line was good thinking, but not so much in where he was putting that stream. I’m sure his fellow firefighter at the front door loved the steam bath. Once again, this fire probably went out, everyone gave each other hi fives but let’s learn from our mistakes and try to do better on the next one. Remember, be safe out there.
It's as easy as 1..2..3.. Works in West Plains and Fort Worth and everywhere in betweem.
1. pull the line. quickly.
2.charge the line. quickly.
3. walk the line through the front door, with the nozzle open on straight stream, until you go out the back door. shut the nozzle when you go out the back door.
Fire began.
Firefighters showed up.
They put water on the fire. (even tho it looks like a small town with not much water)
Fire knocked down.
They did a good job.
And quickly!
Kudos!
The definition of "quickly" varies by the person using it. Check the time between FD showing up and water starting to flow. Just a hint, it's not in the 30-45 second range.
Rather ironic, these guys are either 30 miles or 30 feet away from the fires they run.
And if that wasn't black, turbulent smoke pushing from the front door before it flashed, then someone is watching a different video. And needs a class on reading smoke. Plenty of volume and velocity plus color (black)=flashover.
As for opening the door, sure, but be standing there with a charged line ready to extinguish when opened, not stand around for awhile.
And yes, the structure is still standing, until the demolition crew comes in and knocks it down.
Spot on there Mark, couldnt agree more.
I agree with Mark's assessment on the smoke, similar smoke also pushing from the "D" side vent. I didn't see water flowing until at least the 6 minute mark in the video. Unless I missed something, that's not rapid water application. I'm wondering if the first couple of Firefighters at the front door were planning on making entry for a search? If they were, they got lucky. That first line at the front door was doing nothing but wasting water. I also question why the odd positioning of the first Engine. Anyone from the rural firefighting community have an explanation for that?
firegirl, the benchmark for firefighting success:
if you hadn't showed up, would the damage have been less or more than if you did show up?
I'm from a combination dept, doing structure and wildland firefighting as well as medical. I've never seen that style of positioning before. I thought maybe it had to do with floodlighting the area, but on watching again, I don't see any lights being used. The B exposure is lilluminated by the fire itself. I'm sure they had their reasons for doing that, and it certainly doesn't seem to have affected the outcome.
One basic premise I was taught early on in my career is to try to hold the fire to the room of origin. If that can't be done then hold it to the building of origin, or the block, or the community!! Now then, in wildland firefighting, we've had some that didn't even stay in the STATE of origin!! LOL!
I've heard guys say they thought it was a good stop when we held it to the zip code of origin.
Thanks Mark, Oh Lord and Chief, so Fire Medic Seth is not the only educated but supposedly idiot here… 6 minutes is ridiculious. Why does a rural town need so many cameras? How about working on some proficent handline stretching and the art of reading smoke. Sure it looks like a stop but it is a stone house…
I would hardly call spraying water through a window aggressive firefighting. There was plenty of time from the arrrival of the first unit until it "flashed" to get a line inside and knock the fire down. The structure did not "flash" because it was composed of all rock, it flashed because no one was cooling it down with water.
i would hardly call spraying a line through a window aggressive firefighting. From the time the first unit arrived until the "flash" there was more than enough time to get a line streched through the front door and knock the fire down. The structure does not flash because of what it is constructed of it flashs because of the rising temp. when it is not cooled by handlines in the front yard.
Some context, from visiting their YouTube page: These are the same guys from the video (some time in the past year?) where they showed up POV before the engine and fought fire using a cooler and water from puddles in the yard.