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A fire Thursday around 4:00 PM at the Clearfield Apartments on Haman Drive in Dover Delaware. No injuries reported. Click here for news coverage.
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ROOFS ARE CONSTRUCTED TO KEEP WATER OUT! You need to hit under the roof line. Either get inside and open it up, move your wagon pipe to the ground, or go with 2 1/2 solid bore lines to shoot under the roof. Come on man! Strike Da Box! K
Need some target practice with the pipe.
They need more practice than just the pipe….
1. Stretch line (if alot of orange, take big line)
2. Pull ceiling (preferably using a hand tool ie. a hook)
3. Do work
Ive simplified it as much as possible. Maybe I can develop little cards to flip to and call them fighting fire for dummies cards.
Isn’t that where the Delaware State Fire School is? I hope none of the guys at this fire are the instructors.
Need to go back to the days of waterball. At least we knew how to hit the target but then that was a game. This was, wellllll I’m not sure what they were trying to do.
It’s sad to see so many videos of fire departments ‘in action’ where the personnel really, simply do not understand the basics of how to extinguish a ‘bread and butter’ fire.
L-L-L-L-L-LOWER the angle of your stream, thats what I always say. hit the tips of the flames all day and nothing will happen, hit the base and it may go out, or at least knock it down so we can get in there and open the ceiling and hit it.
This is really not a great application for a deck pipe. It appears that the fire is mainly in the attic. If this is the case and there is some reason why the Brothers are unable to enter the top floor with hooks and a ‘big line’ to pull the ceilings and hit the well vented fire from below then the alternative attack should be via a tower ladder or in its absence an aerial ladder via the top floor windows. Either way, reach in with hooks, open up the ceilings and operate the tower’s master stream, or a 2 1/2″ line from the tip of the aerial ladder through the top floor windows up into the attic space. This will make insure a quick knockdown of the heavy fire and then all that’s left is overhaul … Stay safe …
You can thank the safety guru’s of the nation. Everyone is scared to make an interior effort if theres no risk cause its wrong. But then again this company is a good group of interior guys that work hard on fires and usually hold most fires to a room or two. Maybe there was some other stuff going on that we dont know yet, staffing, water supply etc. Its hard to watch a few seconds of tape and get a feel for the whole game.
Whenever I see a fire like that with flames going way up in the air I’m always afraid the air will catch on fire.
These guys have the same fear apparently.
Building had a peaked roof built over a flat roof. Pulling the ceiling only revealed underside of original roof deck.
The interior attack was good the apartment building at one time had a flat roof and when they built the peaks they layed a sub floor with one access from inside to the empty space in the peaks. The access from inside was a hole cut thru the subfloor that was 12″x12″. Prior to this video the fire was rolling out the front window into the overhang which is what caught the roof.
And the rest of the story…
1. First arriving engine co advanced line to fire apartment on third floor and knocked down fire in apartment. Pulled ceiling and found plywood above –BECAUSE this building was originally constructed with a flat roof with an additional peaked roof added later – know your first due.
2. First arriving truck co (can’t be seen in video) positioned at corner of fire building and attached exposure to maximize scrub of both buildings. Tower was used to stop horizontal spread of void space and worked back to the area you see in the video.
3. Fire was brought under control in approx 40 minutes with four engines and two truck companies. Additional units brought in for overhaul, etc
After 25 years in this business, I have yet to see the perfect fire scene. There is always something to improve upon. I have also found photo’s and videos typically only paint part of the picture……
I don’t know why I am going to waste the time it take’s to type this but I can’t help myself. Thanks reality for explaining what REALLY happened at this fire.To All the Key board hackers who posted before you made your post, how the f*#@ can you really know what is going on at this fire ? Maybe you are good Firefighter’s who are aggressive and get the job done, or maybe you really are just wanna-be’s who sit at your kb and act like your in Command ! I see no one commented after reality, who was most likely there and knew wtf was going on ! Thanks Dave for posting another good video, and thanks to Dover for what was a GOOD stop on a well advanced fire ! Ok I’m done, be safe Bro’s… !
Dude, get over yourself!!
No one posted after “reality”…maybe because it was only 42 minutes between his posting and yours. Just maybe…geez. Speaking of a holier-than-thou attitude, you might be on to something there.
My only entertaiment in the video was the dueling, over-the-top deck gun battle. Those radio thingys do come in handy now and then.
As usual, we get the expertise of every one that wasn’t there throwing stones. Dover is a very agressive department and if they resorted to piping a fire I’m sure it was for good reason. i.e. a peak roof built over an existing flat roof during renovations, etc. But like you all stated, if they were as good as you, I’m sure that they could’ve used a couple of hooks and muscle to push through a covered roof assembly. Sure wished I lived in your town where every fire was a “bread & butter” fire like you indicated.
Having to contend with the decking from an old flat roof under a newer peak roof is a speed bump for sure. That being said, deck pipes are still not the answer to knocking down this attic fire (as is clearly seen in the footage), generally this application will encourage lateral fire spread. Directing a large caliber stream into the eaves ahead of the fire area and pushing the fire back toward the burned through section of roofing or possibly cutting an access hole into the face of the exterior attic wall and directing an elevated stream would both prove to be more effective than ground or pumper mounted master streams. My apologies to those who are apparantly insulted or offended by my comments as my intention is to encourage good / safe firefighting procedures and definitely not to injure egos. For those who constantly question the background and firefighting knowledge / experience of folks who post here, I actually was a firefighter for 20+ years in a large metropolitan F.D. as well as a small, rural F.D.. I was also a certified fire instructor in both career and volunteer fire academies. Those who frequent this site and who subscribe to proper firefighting techniques can readily tell the difference between posts made by inexperienced firefighters and those who have put in many nears practicing the trade. … Stay safe Brothers.
My dad can beat up your dad!
this fire is a perfect example for those who say the IC should be mobile and right up there with the troops.
look at how much of a more comprehensive view you get when you step further back and can see the entire operation.
if the IC was right on top of the rigs, they wouldn’t see the entire picture.
i have no idea where the IC was for this job and i wasn’t commenting on it.
The IC was the first unit on scene (Duty Officer who happened to be near that area of the district) who responded on the initial dispatch, which was for an AFA. Not sure where he set up, but he definetly had the time (and I am sure he used the time) to do a through size up.