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This is early video from MrPaulaponte on YouTube from a three-alarm fire Saturday around 6:45 PM at 2070 Grand Concourse in the Bronx. Fire was on the 5th floor in C wing of an E shaped building with extension to the 6th floor.
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Must have been waiting for Con-Ed…..
Hey ‘Yep’. Do you have any first hand, personal experience fighting a fire in the type of building shown in the video? If so, please provide me with your vast wealth of firefighting knowledge, it would be interesting to hear what you have to say. Hopefully your statements will be better than those you made about FDNY the other day when you ridiculed them for not making an immediate agressive attack on a fire in a Con Ed power plant. You made a fool of yourself with those statements, let’s see how you do this time. It would also be interesting to hear your firefighting background (where do / did you work as a firefighter, how long have you been on the job?).
Dave – delete previous. Thanks.
Nearly every single fire fighting video posted to this site is critiqued and made fun of, but as soon as someone says something about the FDNY someone goes and gets their panties all in a wad.
Comical…..
Hey Robert … How about you wait until something is posted from FDNY that is worthy of criticism. I’m still waiting to hear what part of bread and butter operations are shown as being improperly performed in these videos (You don’t say in your post). It would also add a lot of crediblity to the recommendations / criticisms if they come from someone who is speaking from actual firefighting experience. The criticisms of FDNY’s operation at the power generating station showed a complete lack of knowledge as to how to operate at such a fire. Actually, if the poster is a firefighter, he / she should be ashamed to show such a lack of knowledge of even the most basic, common sense safety issues when responding to a fire in a Con Ed electrical power facility .
I didn’t say anything positive or negative about the operations in the posted video. I will say this though, the only things that change from fire department to fire department are the names. Meaning, with the 2nd largest fire department in the world, they have more great firefighters than 99.9% of everyone else. Similarly, they have people in firefighting costumes than 99.9% as well.
It appears to me that this fire was under control within 10 minutes or so after arrival, which is pretty darn good in my book. I am not FDNY, but I understand their building construction challenges. Stretching a line to the 5th floor of an unprotected building, making searches, & enduring that hallway can take a few minutes. I say, Nice Job!!
Good post JC, your comments are accurate. I fought many fires in these type MD’s over the years and the challenges are many. Stay safe Brother.
Mack, I personally find these FDNY videos pretty boring. Every time they show up guys get off the rig with all their tools, already know their assignments, ladder the buildings, stretch the appropriate sized lines to the seat of the fire and then put the fire out. Every Time! Boring Boring Boring.
Good stuff Steve, I agree … Let’s keep working toward the goal of making it that way for every F.D. (Large / small, career / volunteer) The brothers & sisters in the fire service as well as the public we serve would all be a lot safer!
Did it go out or did it burn out? Just kidding,prbably a long stretch and an “intelligent” mentality.
On the other side of the equation, in DC the fire would have been out in half the time, but the company would have been placed on charges for wearing DCFD t-shirts and driving “inappropriately.” Sometimes, we are our own worst enemy, as the brothers in FDNY understand better than most.
Take care, Dave!
Realize cuts have consequences. Almost all the first alarm and most of the second alarm companies in this area had 5 firefighters until last year they now all have 4. These are very difficult stretches to make. The fact is the image from the street shows nothing. Members may very well be working their way up the stairs while occupants are fleeing. This neighborhood is rough so residents fortify their doors making forcible entry a challenge. Luckly the members are great and it has always been a pleasure to work there.
Maybe it’s time to rethink tactics based on sound, repeatable evidence rather than tradition:
The first engine could have dedicated one person, perhaps the FADO, to apply Chicago’s “Fast Water”, perhaps augmented by foam or CAFS, as Los Angeles has found CAFS to provide a rapid knockdown with little or no steam when applied from outside. UL Tests have proven that you can’t push fire with a hose stream, you can only allow it spread to vent holes. Years of experience with sprinklers show that sprinklers don’t spread heat when they activate – even if they are overwhelmed by the fire.
One guy, 15 seconds after arrival, could have had 1000+ gpm hitting that window, with 300-500 gpm going into the room. You wouldn’t have extinguished it, but you would have significantly reduced its intensity, spread, and danger while the crews made the interior attack.
One more guy, 15 seconds after arrival, could have begun to pressurize the lobby and the lobby stairwell by placing a PPV fan in the front door. This would have kept at lest one stairwell clear of smoke, for evacuation & attack.
Once these were going, the three firefighters and the officer could have begun the stretch or used the standpipe. I prefer the stretch for buildings under six stories. One section for each floor, one to the building, and one more on the fire floor = 300′ preconnected line. DC Femmes use 400′ preconnects with 2 firefighters and an officer all the time. If they had to go further, have the 3rd firefighter bring a 100′ extension, have the second due bring 3x 100′ extensions. With CAFS you’d have full flow. With water & foam you’d still have 150+ gpm – equivalent to at least 300 gpm of plain water.
As other companies arrived, they could place other fans to the lobby or other stairwells. Eventually, they could place one forcing air into the stairwell from a floor or two below the fire, and open the door to the fire floor — containing the smoke & heat to the fire apartment.
Of course you’d have to have preconnected lines, CAFS, PPV, and have the engine at the building rather than a block away at the hydrant, with the “Chauffer” and the “Control Man” hanging out there.
Yep. Blame it on fiscally responsible staffing cuts, and not on woefully antiquated strategy and tactics. Typical Union featherbedding.
The scary part is, I think you actually believe all that.
Yawn. Anything else you’d care to pontificate 5 inch guy?
HEY MACK SEAGRAVE,
Get over yourself and get your arse off of your shoulders. I watched the video and saw more guys standing around playing switch than most departments could put on the fireground.And yes I said “standing around playing switch!”
Hey Commenter: Wouldnt have been easier to just set of an I.E.D. and when the building collapsed just walk over and stomp it out with your feet?
Contender
None of these buildings have standpipes.
Rizz
The crew standing in front is the FAST Truck.
Dave the GateKeeper,
I assume you rejected my submission for a couple of reasons..
The blatant, raw truth would have been too much of a shock
to the likes of “Mack Yugo” and the other NY-FD Mouseketeers
It did meet the standard of your business-profit plan.
Probably for the best for both reasons.
Not sure which comment you are talking about. I don’t recall rejecting one, but it is always possible. For the record I would not kill a comment just because it is critical of FDNY.