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This is a fire last Monday on Cinancy Street in Jacksonville, Florida. FDCam.com alerted us to this video posted to FD Cam’s YouTube channel. Here’s the description to go with it:
Crews were called for a mid-day structure fire. Fire crews found a large home (approx. 4000sqft) with heavy fire showing from the attic space of the second floor. Initial crews made a search to confirm no one was in the home and secondary units contained first floor fires. After little progress was made units were called out of the building and the fire was darkend down with master streams. Crews were sent back up to contain the fire but were eventually pulled from the home & the fire was contained with defensive tactics.
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I swear if I see one more video where tools are not brought to the door I’m gonna slap someone. Laziness and incompetence is all that shows. I’m assuming the camera wearer is an officer of some level. If he spent half as much time actually being constructive instead of cussing and yelling at everyone things would probably go smoother.
I could not agree more on all counts!
Gotta agree with DW. Seemed like he did more yelling than working, but it also seemed like no one was listening either. I’m kind of suprised, Jacksonville videos are usually pretty damn good.
When the IC says evacuate, that’s exactly what it means. IT doesn’t mean lollygag around for another 5 minutes, it means GET OUT. While operating on the inside, you have to trust the IC on the outside with your life. When he says something, listen, for crying out loud.
JC—I appreciate your comments. I disagree with your view on the evacuation. Yes, evacuation should be rapid, but it should be controlled. My ladder crew is operating up those stairs with another engine company. With conditions deteriorating, I am not about to leave that stairwell unprotected until I can at least hear them coming down.
I don’t take my crew’s safety lightly. I know their families and kids. But I am not about to let fire rolling out of those rooms possibly cut off egress for my ladder guys.
Be safe,
Arin Pace
I guess I am missing something -I understand pulling out the first time and going defensive , but when they went in the second time , it seemed like a short time for things to go South. Did the IC miss something and only realize it after the fact, or did thing deteoriate that quickly?
I’ve always been a bit uncomfortable with the idea of pulling crews out because of conditions, then letting the fire continue to damage the structure while pounding the building with master streams and adding tons of water weight … and then sending the crews back into what can only be a more unstable structure.
I agree with get out means get out, But if you listen after the guy with the cam screams, yells and cusses at his lineman (for doing his job) you hear someone say as everyones leaving the house ” Don’t forget to pick up your lines”. If its that important to get out and then you don’t have time to stop and pick up hose.
I just don’t understand why they went back in after the initial evacuation and then turning to a defensive attack. I would think the house was a write-off by that point. Why endanger the crews a second time? After that heavy master stream put all that water on the top floor, wouldn’t it be dangerous to put crews back in? I’m not trying to be a smart-ass… I’m just curious about the tactics?
Would appreciate any feedback.
I wasnt at this one but have talked to a few of the boys (including the Lt.helmetcam)about it, the news said this fire went on for like 2-3 hours and we have all of 6min worth of edited video. Cussin? No big deal to me, my very first officer was/is one of the most respected Cpts on the job & every fire he yelled at me…so what. He’s a screamer, I dont take it personally. Plus fire scenes are loud, screaming takes place, firemen cus, eat & drink beer. Why be surprised when we see them cuss, eat & drink beer???
Next DW…I dont know what you saw but first in the door(Officer & FF) had a hoseline and a hook. Thats a pretty good tool complement for a 2 man team if you ask me. So dont slap anyone yet please.
WagonDriver- I got a kick out of this one b/c if you listen real close when the FF says grab those lines the FF/Engineer says “F*k those lines” to me its just another thing that happens at fires & why i love fire videos so much. Like i said Ive spoken with the crew on this one & there was heavy monday morning QBing going on & everyone learned quite a bit. So that being said…everyone went home, AND crews are more educated for the next one because of the video. This fire is a success. Stay tuned, our dept makes quite a few fires a day and a ton of guys have FDCams so save some savagery for our next one too!
~Scott
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