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TV news report says DC ambulance crew drove past house to nearby fire station to get crew there to take call. Report of 15 minute delay.

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Could an ambulance switch have kept an elderly woman with a head injury from getting to the hospital in the quickest way possible?

That is what D.C. Fire and EMS officials are investigating after learning that two ambulance crews may have actually discussed the transport amongst themselves while a 93-year-old woman who was injured in a fall waited for help.

“We dispatch our closest unit to the emergency,” says Assistant Chief For Operations Timothy Gerhart.

But instead of driving directly to the woman’s home, sources tell FOX 5 Ambulance 6 drove past her house to Ambulance 29′s station and insisted they transport her instead.

“Ambulance 6 was dispatched, and currently we’re looking into why Ambulance 29 was consequently dispatched to the emergency,” Gerhart says.

For ambulances to switch assignments like that, EMS officials say the Office of Unified Communications would need to be notified, as well as records updated, among other things. All of that adds to the response time.

Sources say switching out those two ambulances caused a 15 minute delay in getting this 93-year-old woman with a head injury to the hospital. Fortunately, she survived and is now recovering at home after a five-day hospital stay.

New York Times Editor David Rosenbaum wasn’t so lucky. He was injured in a robbery, but the EMS crew misdiagnosed him, and transported him to the hospital as a low priority patient. He died two days later.

D.C. Fire and EMS has been under fire ever since to revamp its system so that seriously injured people get to the hospital in less than seven minutes.

“We expect our emergency vehicles to get on the scene as quickly as possible when they’re dispatched to a response, and that’s why we’re investigating it very actively and we will take appropriate action,” Gerhart says.

Gerhart says GPS tracking data from the ambulances is key, but he says it’s too soon to say if any discrepancies were uncovered.

It is also too early to say if the delayed response has hampered the 93-year-old woman’s recovery.

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  1. Minutiae says

    All else aside, there’s an error in this report. It claims that the goal is a seven minute window to get the patient to the hospital, whereas the goal is a seven minute window for the arrival of an EMS provider (of any type).

    on August 17, 2012 @ 6:36 pm. Reply
    • Dan Goldstein says

      Thanks for catching this. We fixed it on our Web site. Dave can you fix on yours as well?

      Dan Goldstein
      FOX5 I-Team Producer

      on August 20, 2012 @ 6:00 pm. Reply
  2. ClownShow says

    Now City firehouses are called Stations. Wa wa waaaaaaa!

    on August 17, 2012 @ 7:56 pm. Reply
  3. AbsoluteReality says

    .

    HELLO.!!!

    Isn’t it painfully obvious to everyone by now.??!!

    We need the Wunderkinds of the NYFD to begin
    taking over these bumbling east coast fire departments..

    The Final Solution by the world’s best

    on August 17, 2012 @ 7:57 pm. Reply
    • waheid says

      Wunderkinds? FDNY? You’ve got to be kidding.

      on August 17, 2012 @ 10:08 pm. Reply
    • ltfd says

      For EMS excellence, I would personally chose a certain Pacific Northwest model. FDNY though would be my choice, “all-the-way”,
      for excellence in high density urban firefighting.

      on August 17, 2012 @ 11:18 pm. Reply
  4. Anonymous says

    Ok let’s everyone be Honest and Truthful here. First of all whatever the cause/reasoning and/or excuses that the Ambulance crew decided is an internal Personnel issue. It should be handled as such within DC Fire and EMS Policies. Not in the media. The actual facts of this incident was a breach of Professionalism and Basic Body of Knowledge of the EMS protocols. There is absolutely no excuse for this behavior. Anyone assigned to EMS Duties either on a BLS unit or an ALS Unit knows their job, and what is expected of them. This woman suffered an injury which after a 15 minute delay in Response to the scene she was Hospitalized for some five days. Absolutely unacceptable under any Professional Standards. If the ambulance crew on ambulance 6 was having some issues among themselves, then they should have advised OUC of that, and requested they be placed out of service, and another ambulance be dispatched. Driving past the patient’s residence was a deliberate violation of DC Fire and EMS Policies. The seven minute response time seems reasonable based upon the number of 911 EMS calls and Travel time within the city. The actual fact driving past the location of a 911 EMS Emergency is wrong period. Who among us, including the ambulance crews of ambulance 6 and ambulance 29 can say with any degree of certainty the nature and extent of this patient’s condition. She had fallen. possibly a fractured hip, or a serious head injury that could have required ALS intervention. What would the crews of ambulance 6 and ambulance 29 say if a second 911 call came from that residence stating the woman had fallen unconscious, possibly trouble or not breathing. After ambulance 6 passed the 911 location they jepordized the patient’s Health. DC Fire and EMS respond to and handle an overwhelming number of EMS 911 calls everyday. For the most part these folks due an exceptional job. This incident has must now bring about the restoring of Trust and Respect between the Taxpayer Citizens of the District of Columbia and the Professionals of DC Fire and EMS. This type of disgusting shameful disgrace cannot and mustnot be Tolerated.

    on August 18, 2012 @ 11:10 am. Reply
    • dave statter says

      I don’t know the facts either and I have a lot of questions that aren’t answered by this report, but I have to respectfully disagree with you. How a government spends or misspends taxpayer dollars on public safety is not an internal personnel issue. That is a public issue. A free press is a watchdog of our governments, local, state and federal. The problem is not that there is too much light shed on these and other similar issues. It’s that there is too little.

      Often the news media spends too much time showing us the dog from Chile that rescued its puppies but not enough time on basic services that mean life or death to humans. It would be great if all leaders provided true tranparency on the workings of their jurisdictions. Let people really see the good, bad and the ugly for themselves in an honest way. But that doesn’t happen too often.

      Instead we have a free press that is supposed to be telling us these things. We shouldn’t allow the government to hide behind “it’s a personnel issue”. When the leaders want to for political purposes, they ALL talk about personnel issues. Trust me on that one. It is one of the most universal hypocritical statements you will ever hear from government officials.

      And the public is also at fault. We don’t demand more from the news. We are satisfied with the Chile dog and say no big deal about a story like this because no one died. And the news media isn’t blameless. I had many a show producer through the years try to kill my stories about serious public safety issues because “no one died”. Only when someone did die were they suddenly interested.

      Again, providing basic government services to the public isn’t going to get better by keeping everyone in the dark.
      In this case, if the wrong ambulance was dispatched in the first place and then 15 minutes was lost doing an unauthorized ambulance swap that is a matter of public interest. The answers along with what the government is going to do to prevent this from happening again should be a matter of public record as soon as possible.

      Statter

      on August 18, 2012 @ 1:56 pm. Reply
    • Anonymous says

      You don’t need ALS for a head injury they need a hospital and a doctor not an ems provider any good provider BLS or ALS can do an assessment of the patient.

      on August 19, 2012 @ 11:02 am. Reply
  5. there are longer times says

    How about the 30 minute response times over to southeast or “standby for an ems unit” and then waiting 20 minutes for one to be dispatched. No one is interested in those numbers

    on August 18, 2012 @ 3:15 pm. Reply
    • dave statter says

      Those are the type of things I am talking about. Not just here, but in a lot of places.

      on August 18, 2012 @ 3:21 pm. Reply
  6. there are longer times says

    I hear ya Dave. Nothing will ever be fixed. The blame will be placed on someone else and the buck will be passed to cover up mismanagement. Smoke and mirrors until the next regime, then the cycle will repeat

    on August 18, 2012 @ 3:30 pm. Reply
  7. Just Sayin says

    I doubt this will happen but maybe, just maybe, the 3 stooges (LRB, Timmy, and the expert they call a medical director) will fall as a result of this … highly doubtful but a guy can always dream … as there are longer times says there are extended waits by citizens each and every day because there are no ambulances available … every day incorrect assets are sent on assignments (medic units on low level calls) … every day companies are sent to medical calls where they would not be due on a second, or sometimes third, alarm just so they can say they have a paramedic responding instead of the ambulance transporting and the list goes on … meanwhile the band continues to play while the crew rearranges the deck chairs … ignore the water rushing in, this ship is unsinkable …just sayin

    on August 18, 2012 @ 6:56 pm. Reply
  8. Anonymous says

    I would like to say, my previous comments about personnel Issue not to be handled in the media

    (1) My intent was the Personnel actions that the crews on A6 &
    A29 were obviously out of line with DC Fire and EMS
    Policies. The DC Fire and EMS follow up personnel Actions
    are important for the public to know.

    (2) There was a comment about wrong ambulance dispatched. Who
    among us can say with any degree of certainty that the
    wrong ambulance could have been dispatched. That is an
    absolute foolish statement and or thought.
    A6 was sent probability because they were available.
    The idea or whatever opinion thoughts A6 crew may have had
    was in fact wrong. Who can say or who knows whether or not
    A29 was available at the time of Dispatch. Where was A6
    coming from? Their home Quarters Engine 6 or were they on
    the air?

    (3) This incident has some of the similar situations that
    the Rosenbaum incident had. The responding ambulance
    was coming out of Providence Hospital 12th and Varnum
    Streets NE. That ambulance was responding to 38th and
    Gramercy Streets in upper NW. The issues with that call
    werenot primarily the Response Times. “The issues in
    the Rosenbaum call were Patient Assessment and Transport
    to a Trauma Center much further and out of the closes
    Hospital Protocols. Howard University Hospital was not
    anywhere near as GW Univ Hospital.
    (4) The crews on A6 and A29 were out and out wrong in this
    call.
    (5) Ambulance 6 passing the actual location of the emergency
    responding for an Elderly Female that had Falen with a
    reported Head Injury.
    (6) Ambulance 6 crew had no knowledge of the exact nature
    and extent of this woman’s head injury.
    (7) This elderly woman was Transported to the hospital and
    spent some five days. Obviously it wasnot a minor cut or
    bump on the head.
    (8) A6 crew made a self serving opinionated choice to drive
    past what could have very easily been
    “A TRAUMATIC HEAD INJURY”
    (9) One can only hope the DC Fire and EMS will come down on
    these individuals like a Ton of Bricks, Legally.
    (10) FIRE THEM

    on August 18, 2012 @ 8:03 pm. Reply
    • dave statter says

      You are making judgments on this based on very few facts that I would not yet make. And that is your right.

      Instead, as a reporter who has covered stories like this for a long time, I would be asking a lot more questions. I was the “foolish” one who brought up the issue of why Ambulance 6 was disptached in the first place. Not to excuse any possible wrong doing by those on the ambulance but to determine if there is a bigger problem. To think OUC wouldn’t have made such a mistake is a bit naive. Do you need me to dredge up history for you? Just search OUC on this blog.

      Maybe the question was asked and already answered and I missed it. For all I know Ambulance 6 was coming out of Georgetown and was the closest unit. Just because there is one error or problem discovered in this story doesn’t mean there aren’t two serious issues.

      On the surface, without a lot of facts, your conclusions may be justified. But as a reporter I would want to know a hell of a lot more about what we don’t know and have them answered in a follow-up story (if the leadership already knew these answers hopefully they would have followed solid reputation management techniques and let them all out in the original story and moved on). Certainly if we jump to the obvious conclusion about the actions then anyone who does this should have a price to pay. And it should NOT be done in secret.

      Too often the public is left hanging. We don’t necessarily need names. Especially if these aren’t repeat offenders of such action. But a relatively definitive account of what happened and how it will prevented in the future is due the to those who are paying for this service, the taxpayers.

      Statter

      on August 18, 2012 @ 9:51 pm. Reply
  9. Hoof Arted says

    Anonymous, you sure seem to have an awful lot of “facts” in this case. I’m curious where you were able to obtain all of them, because I didn’t read any of what you’re talking about in the article.

    Wrong ambulances don’t EVER get dispatched do they? Please, you’re living in a fantasy world if you think that OUC doesn’t screw up; they do it on an hourly basis.

    The problem with the Rosenbaum incident was that he was beat on the head with a pipe. HUH is .2 miles further than GW from 38th and Gramercy. Not enough in my book to crucify the crews for; remember, there were no GPS’s on the units yet.

    Did the guys drive by the firehouse because it was on the route to the call? Who knows, no address was given in this article.

    Perhaps the elderly woman treated at the hospital for a chronic condition that has been left untreated for years. I mean, if you’re guessing and I’m guessing, then either one of us could be correct.

    If the guys did truly pass by the address a to go see if A29 was in quarters, then they sure as hell should be severely disciplined. However, we should make sure we have those pesky things called “FACTS” before we make a judgement.

    on August 18, 2012 @ 9:38 pm. Reply
  10. Anonymous says

    One of the favorite tricks of those EMS crews nearing relief time was to “slink” back to quarters unnoticed from the hospital or a no transport call. A change in the AVL software was made to prevent this practice by automatically placing the unit available after moving away from the location without notifying the dispatcher by radio or CAD. The CAD also selects the closest appropriate available unit and assigns that unit to the run. Now assuming thoses systems are not disabled, there is lots of electronic documentation of who did what.

    on August 19, 2012 @ 10:57 am. Reply
  11. Jimmy McCommenter says

    I’m more interested in this,

    “New York Times Editor David Rosenbaum wasn’t so lucky. He was injured in a robbery, but the EMS crew misdiagnosed him, and transported him to the hospital as a low priority patient. He died two days later.”

    Did it took the EMS crew TWO DAYS to drive to the hospital? He died enroute? Does a low priority response really change the outcome of a 2 day old injury?

    on August 19, 2012 @ 2:09 pm. Reply
  12. Bob says

    Media? Watch dog? in the same sentence? I believe that term is oxymoron?

    Media is defined as “the means of communication, as radio and television, newspapers, and magazines, that reach or influence people widely: The media are covering the speech tonight.”

    Influence being the magical term here, how dare you speak about politicians utilizing personel issues for gain in one breath and for hiding things in the very next breath.

    You “reporters” have been provided by and far the largest leeway of any profession that I can imagine in determining what you feel you need to be the “watch dog” of. VERY few articles shown in the past few years have portrayed the DCFD in a positive light. Nevermind the fact that they run how many calls a day? In what kind of working conditions? How many lives are genuinely saved every day by EMS providers in the District?

    You say you are showing how money is spent or mis-spent, but I say you are merely demonstrating what you FEEL are mis-spending. Nevermind the hard earned money of many of those who serve each and every day with very little to no fanfare.

    You really should stick to posting what OTHERS report on your blog and stop trying to defend your profession. Especially when the journalism was not very good to start with.

    The FACTS are an ambulance crew appears to have broken all kinds of rules and displayed multiple choices in the course of incident that placed a patients health and well being in jeopardy. Yet in the article, NOTHING is actually reported accept that it happened, and that people in the government are aware. There was no direct information regarding the status of the patient or how the incident affected her outcome, nor any specifics regarding thie situation.

    In other words, a directly inflamatory piece of journalism with little to no PERTINENT factual information. Maybe the professional journalist who wrote this piece, and the blogger who posted it should try waiting for the correct information to come along. But oh wait, that takes TIME, and may not be as interesting then, and doesnt sell papers or draw readers to the organization. CAPITALIST PROFESSIONAL JOURNALIST!!! Welcome to American, kindly admit to that and we would all be better off.

    on August 19, 2012 @ 2:49 pm. Reply
    • dave statter says

      Bob,

      For the record, it is no longer my profession and I am not defending it. My real defense is of the public’s right to know and of transparency in government. I blast the news media and the work of reporters quite regularly on here much as I critique the policies and techniques used by public safety to deal with the news media. Let me address a few of your points from my perspective.

      I must assume that you are being sarcastic with this line – “how dare you speak about politicians utilizing personnel issues for gain in one breath and for hiding things in the very next breath.” In case you’re not, let me explain some more. I’ve watched this happen for 40 years and very little has changed. Leaders who tell us they can’t talk about an incident because it is a “personnel matter” will do so on the next story or when they don’t like the initial coverage of the first story, because it is politically expedient to do so. You won’t shake me from that position. It’s something I’ve studied quite closely. The shame here are reporters (including me, when I was one) who didn’t do enough to point out the many, many examples of this hypocrisy in the people and organizations they cover.

      Yes, news organizations are given enormous leeway. It’s how our government was set up. It’s far from perfect. But I haven’t seen much better.

      TV news began to go downhill when Don Hewitt proved it could make money.

      The next thing that assured its downhill slide was when cable news came of age losing it’s virginity with the OJ Simpson case. The rest of the news business paid close attention as cable news operations time and time again went for the girl with the great body who put out on the first date and would attract a lot of looks from their friends (talking about the story selection and not the choice in anchors). But they weren’t the girls that they would take home to mom or want to have a conversation with. They’d drop them as soon as they weren’t hot or they got bored. They then quickly moved onto the next one that filled their “need” and got everyone to look their way.

      The third thing that assured the demise of news in general is the Internet, particularly when social media came along to allow the public to really have news or what passes as news at their fingertips. That has brought the end or slow death of many major newspaper operations. Through laysoffs and buyouts important news operations have vanished. The newspapers used to set the agenda for news coverage in most cities. It was the newspaper that provided the lead for the wire services local operations and in turn many TV and radio news organizations. The quality has diminished greatly with the brain drain.

      With these watch dogs gone or slowly dying there may soon be a time that there is no one to investigate our government the way the press in the United States of American once did. I have some smart friends at opposite ends of the political spectrum who, like me, understand this and are quite worried about it. But we seem to be a minority. There is such an anti-press bias in this country, some of it justified, but much of it based on personal political agenda, that few can see beyond this hatred of reporters and news organizations and understand what this country is losing.

      You wrote, “Nevermind the hard earned money of many of those who serve each and every day with very little to no fanfare”. News is not the routine. News normally is not you doing the job your are paid or volunteer to do. I didn’t know you needed fanfare to do your job. In my little time in public safety and many years observing it, I was suspicious of those folks who needed that “fanfare”.

      But that doesn’t mean there isn’t extraordinary routine work or “good news” that shouldn’t be part of daily news coverage. While I am not into the daily ins and outs of the DC Fire and EMS Department any longer (though until June 2010 I had been for almost 30 years) I have seen enough comments by firefighters here and in other forums and news coverage (and lack thereof) to make a judgment that there is a philosophical change in the administration over how public information is handled. That may have an impact on getting the “good news” covered.

      You wrote, “In other words, a directly inflamatory piece of journalism with little to no PERTINENT factual information. Maybe the professional journalist who wrote this piece, and the blogger who posted it should try waiting for the correct information to come along.”

      I won’t argue that is one way to do it. But there was pertinent factual information, “‘Ambulance 6 was dispatched, and currently we’re looking into why Ambulance 29 was consequently dispatched to the emergency,’ Gerhart says.” In addition, the TV station cites sources saying there was a 15 minute delay. Does that provide all of the answers? Hell no.

      But from my experience, in many cases you aren’t likely to get all of those answers unless you hold their feet to the fire. And I don’t just mean DC. But recent news coverage in DC is a good example. Look what happened with the recent swimming pool filling by Engine 30. I have little doubt that the administration of the DC fire & EMS Department knew what had happened by the time Andrea Noble called on that Monday about the incident that occcurred on Saturday. Certainly by Tuesday they did. But if you follow the non-availability, non-answers and partial answers over the first few days of coverage you will see it took constant coverage and eventually CNN doing the story to get a direct and clear answer about what happened and the department’s policy. I use this example now as a case study in my presentations.

      In stories like the Ambulance 6 incident and the swimming pool case the DC Fire & EMS Department and any other fire department would do themselves very big favors by providing as much information as they possibly can on the initial story. The goal shoule be to try and get it behind them instead of dragging these things out.

      While many leaders think they are helping themselves by saying things like “it’s a personnel matter and I can’t discuss it” or “I can neither confirm or deny that occurred” or “it’s under investigation” they are more often than not hurting themselves and their organization.

      Thanks for your input and insight. I appreciate you taking the time to read the blog, no matter how misguided I am, and for putting your thoughts in writing.

      Statter

      on August 19, 2012 @ 4:24 pm. Reply
    • CHAOS says

      Well, Dave (CAPITALIST PROFESSIONAL JOURNALIST!!!), I’ll award you a point for using the English language much more correctly than “Bob”.

      on August 19, 2012 @ 4:26 pm. Reply
      • dave statter says

        I will take whatever accolades and fanfare this washed-up old news-hack can get.

        Statter

        on August 19, 2012 @ 4:45 pm. Reply
        • Doing it says

          I will also award you 1 point for not deleting his post, and deduct 1 point for rising to the bait and responding to it.

          on August 19, 2012 @ 8:33 pm. Reply
          • dave statter says

            Doing it,

            It would never enter my mind to delete Bob’s post. I encourage dissenting views. This was very mild compared to many that I’ve posted about me. Particularly in the early days of the blog.

            It wasn’t bait for me. I enjoy the conversation. The day I don’t reply to someone questioning what I do here will likely be the day I shut down the comments section.

            Thanks.

            Statter

            on August 19, 2012 @ 10:32 pm.
  13. Anonymous says

    “Now assuming thoses systems…” “Did it took EMS crew…”

    You can’t be smart enough to figure out the problem or a solution if you can’t read or write beyond a second grsde level.

    on August 19, 2012 @ 3:35 pm. Reply
    • Not "bob" says

      Listens here boy. I can displays multiple choices if i want. I’m a fireman with a GED.

      on August 19, 2012 @ 8:36 pm. Reply
  14. RedBlueGrenn says

    The FACTS are an ambulance crew appears to have broken all kinds of rules – Bob said

    U sell used cars, dont you?

    on August 19, 2012 @ 4:10 pm. Reply
  15. A concerned taxpayer says

    A mostly unspoken sentiment among DC firefighters is the dislike of ems duty. Perhaps this contributed to this most recent incident. Maybe “FEMS” should go back to hiring single role providers.

    on August 19, 2012 @ 10:18 pm. Reply
    • anonymous says

      The DC EMS system was even worse when they only had single role providers. The reason why the firefighters are now staffing the majority of the ambulances is because of this.

      Going back to single role providers would just return to the former ways which were horrible.

      on August 20, 2012 @ 8:26 am. Reply
    • I work here says

      A mostly unspoken sentiment among DC single role providers is the dislike of ems duty.

      At least the firefighters (used to) like coming to work. Absenteeism among single role providers is atrocious. Even when they do come to work, they take longer to get responding (proven by every chute time study DC has done) and they take longer to handle each run, either delaying on scene, dawdling at the hospital, or both. I don’t have access to the quality control reports, but, judging by the proportion of single-role personnel who get sent to “no patient contact” land, they make egregious errors more often as well, and take longer to retrain. This despite the fact that the quality control nurse is generally biased in their favor.

      The only reason to hire single role personnel in DC is that they don’t have to follow the same civil service rules as they do when they hire firefighters. The standards aren’t as high – no PAT, no cognitive testing, it’s not as competitive to get hired, and they city can therefore hire more city residents who meet the lower standard.

      In another election cycle or two, the ‘concerned taxpayers’ will be more worried about performance than patronage, and the last single role provider will have been hired.

      on August 20, 2012 @ 12:27 pm. Reply
      • Inside looking in says

        What “high standards” are you talking about. All you need is a high school diploma or GED education to apply. What competitive testing process are you referring to. To get hired with DCFD all you had to do was get on the hiring list. And you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to pass NREMT. Be a man and say what you really mean and stop using “code words” when you talk about city residents being hired. Hell, anybody can do this job when the former AFC-OPS and AFC-Svcs had a GED and High School diploma respectively. Get over yourself

        on August 23, 2012 @ 5:49 pm. Reply
  16. Anonymous says

    In reading the comments It seems everyone is pretty much of the opinion what occurred was a violation of DC Fire and EMS Policies. This is also a violation of EMT Training and Certification. A6 crew knows very well their job is to carryout the duites in their job. Obviously they had absolutely no concept nor definitive reasoning as the condition of this elderly woman. She obviously suffered more than a minor Laceration or a bump on the head. A6 crew took it upon themselves to ignore their EMT Traing. It is a known fact Elderly People are more easily suspectible to Injuries from a Fall. DC Fire and EMS Internal investigation will find the truth. It will come out in the open to the public in the news medium. People do watch six o’clock Local news, and people read the paper. What happened here is something that probably does happen in other locations. However let’s be honest here,DC Fire and EMS serves and protects not only the citizens Taxpayers, they sre sworn to protect the President of the United States, the Vice President at his residence Naval Observatory, the US Capitol where our Laws and funding for DC Government is approved. The DC Fire and EMS are also charged with responsibility to serve and protect the Local, and Federal
    Government Agencies and facilties. The fact that one of the Public Safety resources did in fact violate this job responsibility is below any Standards of Perfomance. I include myself in having the perspective of what has occurred. What is important now, is to let the Internal Investigation work through its job, and most important gather and understand the facts.

    on August 20, 2012 @ 10:49 am. Reply
  17. Anonymous says

    I would like to comment on OUC. It has been commented OUC makes mistakes everyday. As far as A6 and A29 incident
    who can say with any degree of certainty OUC made a mistake? Yes OUC handles an overwhelming number of 911 calls on a daily basis. There are going to mistakes however if OUC personnel are alert and understand if such a mistake occurs theh an immediate correction can be done with little or no delay on the impact of DC Fire and EMS Responses. One can only believe OUC Personnel are trying to do a good job. The only incident I recall where OUC was wrong, several years back there was a 911 call for a Traffic Accident “On Military Road West Bound near Beach Drive” OUC Operator didnot seem to be familiar with that location. The truth be known Military Road is a primary thoroughfare in the District of Columbia. Unfortunately an innocent soul lost his Life due to one can say incompetence and either a lck of city geographic locations or just untrained. Military Road does in fact run to where Beach Drive Interchange is located. A delay in response, in excusable. The OUC operator stated Military Road doesnot intersect with Beach Drive. A Park service Dispatcher came on line and also denied Military Road intersects with Beach Drive. This type of wrong doings in a 911 situation is out and out wrong. One can only hope and believe OUC now has some sort of Training that helps their people. Bottom Line OUC and A6 and A29 in their incident should always keep in mind they would want and expect their family to be treated with the utmost highest level of Professionalism.

    on August 20, 2012 @ 11:06 am. Reply
    • dave statter says

      Let me be clear that I didn’t say “OUC makes mistakes everday”. I did say they have a history. Many involving stories I covered when I was a reporter (up until a little more than two-years-ago).

      Yes, I agree with you the Military Road issue was training, despite the fact the director at the time told us it was a software gltich that needed to be corrected. The people working these centers need to know more about their jurisdictions than what comes across the computer screen or at least know how to find that info (like picking up a phone and calling the local firehouse).

      You must not have followed my suggestion to check the STATter911.com archives if you make a statement like, “The only incident I recall where OUC was wrong”.

      How about the call taker who couldn’t think of one thing to tell a woman trapped on the top floor of her burning Northwest apartment building that she should do while waiting for firefighters to rescue her?

      How about the day Metro called on the radio for a fire on the tracks at Farragut North when I was at a box alarm near the Capitol. Stopping at all lights and going the speed limit I made it to Farragut North before the box was set up and dispatched.

      How about not knowing which building is which in the White House office building complex when a fire occurred?

      This is NOT intended to blast OUC because I have no clue how well they operate these days. I am just going back to my original point that we shouldn’t make assumptions that there isn’t another story involved in the Ambulance 6 case.

      And again, my intent is not to excuse or divert attention from any actions of that crew. I am just illustrating there can be multiple issues contributing to the same problem. But I will agree that, based on the reporting only, the scenario detailed for Ambulance 6 seems like a deliberate act compared to making a mistake assigning the wrong ambulance (if that happened).

      Thanks for writing.

      Statter

      on August 20, 2012 @ 11:36 am. Reply
    • Anonymous says

      OUC make mistakes hourly as was stated above. How about sending E-15 to 2300 Good Hope rd for an AFA, but not telling them that they were receiving multiple calls for a building fire, or reported explosions in the building. They didn’t upgrade the call, and a firefighter nearly lost his life. Or the numerous times they dispatch calls in the wrong quadrant of the city. OUC also played a major part in the 48th pl fire where several firefighters were seriously burned. They didn’t acknowledge a may day!!!! That’s a very bad mistake, they are never disciplined for the many mistakes they make!! The fire dept needs to have control of our communications.

      on August 20, 2012 @ 5:04 pm. Reply
      • dave statter says

        How could I forget Goodhope Road? Sorry Tony if you are seeing this. Relaying the info that an explosion had occurred apparently was not a priority.

        Statter

        on August 20, 2012 @ 5:15 pm. Reply
  18. Minutiae says

    I suspect that the situation in which A6 was dispatched ahead of A29 is an unfortunate side effect of GPS-based dispatching. Because the system automatically picks the unit closest to the call location, a small but measurable number of calls that should go to the ambulance local to the hospital get shunted to units just clearing the hospital. The problem is only severe in areas like those east of the river, in which local units may get trapped across the river for extended periods of time. Looking at that part of the problem from that point of view may help with a solution.

    The issue with how the crew handled this call is a totally different problem, and requires its own solutions.

    on August 20, 2012 @ 2:43 pm. Reply
  19. NorCalMike says

    Dave,
    The major problem I see with news organizations today is a serious lack of objectivity. One just needs to watch Fox News and MSNBC to see how skewed their reporting tends to be. This is also apparent in local media. The local paper in Sacramento is rabidly anti-union (strange as it is liberal on all other areas). Because of their anti-union bias, it is difficult for my agency to receive a fair shake.

    IMHO, it is this lack of objectivity that has truly destroyed people’s faith in the news.

    on August 21, 2012 @ 2:00 am. Reply
    • dave statter says

      I do not disagree with you NorCalMike on the cable part. It’s where and how they determined they could make money. Give the public what they think they want to hear.

      The important thing to do is try to be a good consumer of news and question most everything from an objective standpoint. But few people do that. They question everything from their own political point of view. Combine the product with that attitude from the consumer and it makes us all a hell of a lot dumber.

      Statter

      on August 21, 2012 @ 7:55 am. Reply

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