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UPDATE: Thanks to Bill Carey at BackstepFirefighter.com, BuffNetwork.com and a few others I have this description of the fire yesterday -
Brooklyn *75-0952* 1469 Bedford Ave. Fire 3rd floor
B-57 Using All Hands for a fire on the 3rd floor of a 6 story non-fireproof. OMD
EARLIER: No details found yet on this video posted to YouTube with the only information that this was a fire in Brooklyn yesterday.
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Box 952 for 1469 Bedford Avenue. Batt.57, fire in an occupied multiple dwelling.
Bill Carey
only in NYC.
2 sticks are up, fire blowing out the windows, traffic keeps on moving like they see this happen every day, and the fire goes out in about 2-3 minutes….
Brooklyn *75-0952* 1469 Bedford Ave. Fire 3rd floor
Possibly Brooklyn *75-0952* 1469 Bedford Ave. Fire 3rd floor.
Quick work! True professionals at work! The only complaint lies with the videographer, Please turn your phone sideways.
10-75 the Box! K … Strike Da Box
Before you guys get to gushy over FDNY, realize that, the first aerial is fully in place at the beginning of the video. The second ladder takes more than a minute to set up – so we can infer that the video starts AT LEAST a minute after arrival of the first ladder, and it’s still almost 2 minutes before water goes onto the fire. A good job, but not a super fast one.
Water should go on that fire within seconds of arrival of the first engine. Heck, I’ll bet with more research, we’ll know just how good it is to hit the fire from the street, and a wagon equipped with pump and roll and a bumper turret could hit it before the brakes set, cutting the time to first water by 3-5 long minutes.
But of course the guys who see themselves as ‘Heros’ will insist, all evidence to the contrary, that this will kill everyone in the building. Meanwhile, the people who see themselves as professionals, will adopt new tactics and save lives and property.
Commenter, your less than complimentary words about the F.D.N.Y. operation is this video make me wonder if you’ve posted videos of your department in the past and then found out from the comments that your operations were not as good as you believed them to be while playing cameraman / woman.
As a FDNY truck officer, I would like to respectfully disagree with commentor’s tactical suggestion. As you stated, “the truck already has the aerial raised” when the video begins. This means the first due inside team is most likely inside this apartment already searching for life and confining the fire. An exterior stream at this point would not only harm the occupants, but severely injure the truck company searching the apartment. Our tactics routinely put us in the apartment prior to water application based on a risk/reward analysis. This allows us to find the seat of the fire (to direct the engine and save critical time), confine the fire ( close doors, use the extinguisher), remove trapped occupants, and clear a path for the engine. Application of water from the exterior at this critical time would be devastating to these operations. In addition, all engine manpower must be directed to stretching the first hand line and securing a positive water source. Mounting a defensive/offensive operation at the same time is not only impractical with our reduction in manning, it is downright dangerous. You may be right, the fire may go out quickly with an exterior application of water, however we would need many more body bags placed on our apparatus. You may disagree, but almost everyday people are saved by the aggressive nature of FDNY interior operations.
I just don’t get people who suggest hitting the fire from the exterior is a good thing. Have you ever been inside a fire when someone hits the fire from outside? It’s very unpleasant – lots of heat and smoke comes your way. This can’t be good for anyone trapped in the building, and conditions would have to be just right for this not to cause the fire to spread to other parts of the building.
Good job FDNY. You can argue this should have been faster but we have no idea what crews faced inside. For example, you could spend years studying the different types of complex door locks people use in NYC.
Commenter, I can’t wait to see you and all the new professionals on the next video arriving and while still in motion save us with your pump and roll bumper turret. Do you wear batman outfit also?
Do sprinklers spread fire? Absolutely not.
Neither does water through a window.
I’ll take water in the window now vs. sitting there burning and choking to death for the next four minutes.
You’re right it does not spread fire.
Does it disrupt the thermal balance of a room? Yes!
Does it introduce steam into that same room? Yes!
Do those two things decrease survivability? Yes!
As for burning and choking to death. Put on your PPE’s and take a line with you. Problem solved. Firefighters are dying in huge numbers from interior attacks. They are dying from physical fitness and poor overall health, dangerous code 3 driving and cancer (most likely attributed to not wearing PPE’s)
You talk like a Chief who took all the classes and never took part in a well orchestrated interior fire attack.
Spoken like someone who has never experienced the inside of a building while it’s on fire. Those of us who have done so on a regular basis realize that your comments are not based upon firefighting knowledge but rather they are the words of someone who possibly dresses like a firefighter and subsequently believes that this means he / she is one. Great job by the F.D.N.Y., this is a ‘bread and butter’ job and they dealt with it accordingly.
Sprinklers don’t spread fire ,your correct . How ever they are inside the building . Not outside shooting in through an open window that more than likely is venting a majority of the heat and smoke from the fire . Now you stick your stream through the window and where is the smoke and heat going now . Down the hall way , in the room that may have been relatively untouched where the residents were seeking refuge waiting for the firemen to come get them ? Now explain to us again how shooting water from outside is a good idea .
I would love to know Commenter background, I don’t “gush” over anyone, this is a text book FDNY fire that is handled everyday. If anyone sounds to me at least not ready to adapt old tactics and save lives it is you, now I may be wrong but if you have never dealt with what the men and woman of many large city departments deal with on a daily basis I suggest you hold your mouth and maybe try and learn something.
Just a suggestion hugs and kisses not a FDNY fire fighter
Commenter = YARD BREATHER!!!!!
A stream in a window most certainly spreads fire, heat & smoke! But you would have to be inside and NOT OUTSIDE to witness/experience that!
FDNY FO LIFE!!!!!!
Commenter must be one of those text book firefighers and not a hands on firefigher… nuff said and strike da box! PS glad may faimily don’t live in your first due… K
How much water will you have after darkening it down from the outside with a master stream prior to establishing a water supply? Oh right, none or virtually none. Just get in, push to the seat of the fire, & knock the fire. Upsetting the thermal balance & steaming unprotected occupants by standing outside & trying to find what little intestinal fortitude you may have is not the way to accomplish our mission.