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Early video from bmazanec of a fire yesterday morning at 5501 Michigan Avenue in St. Louis, Missouri. The call for defensive operations comes shortly after the 5:00 mark on the video.
One firefighter suffered minor injuries Wednesday morning while battling a fire at a vacant two-story brick building at 5501 Michigan Avenue.
The lower floor of the building was a commercial business; the top floor is residential. It is at the corner of Fassen Street in the Carondelet neighborhood.
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hmmm – different -I wasnt there , but it looked like finding the heavy fire in the basement, kinda threw them off their game.
Well, not sure what all to say. I don’t know why big city departments don’t act very aggressive? In this case things seem to go slow, a lot of walking around, guys w/ no packs, guys w/ packs not using, straps/regulators hanging, many chiefs in the white coats hanging around, accessible fire w/ no quick attack.
Obviously none of us are there to know the real story, and seeing one angle. Just doesn’t look real good. They were going to lose the whole thing.
On top of the non use of the scba’s…Im curious what the guy at 3:51 was planning on doing with the booster line? Wow.
I think he was planning on keeping the fire coming out of the shaft off of the building. That’s what I expected him to do, anyway.
The chiefs are seen continuously pacing back and forth with their heads down (frequently turning their backs on the fire building). The firefighters seem to have lost interest very quickly. Likely a vacant building with who knows what kind of structural hazards, so I understand not placing the personnel at unnecessary risk, but it seems like there’s no real plan for entinguishing the fire. Did it eventually go out or is it still burning?
The guy was gonna pull the booster to cover someone while they got the ladder out of the way. also this was not a commercial business the owner basically used the first floor and basement for storage and the tenants that lived on the second floor moved our four days prior. the first floor was also compromised in a couple places early on. they actually got a great interior knockdown until they discovered it was raging in the basement. You can hear me say in the video that they should have turned that fan off.
Lazy smoke upon arrival telltale sign of a basement fire.
My 2 cents from Calif.
Command and Tactical Dysfunction.
Even if this is a vacant building, why take chances on getting anyone hurt?
Seriously, setting up a blower near the cellar opening and creating a “venturi” effect affecting the fires behavior above and below ground. Not wearing your SCBA and Not being on air and setting up your attack line (A Side) within the structural collapse zone.
And their is more.
Why not try a Bresnan Distributor with hose at exterior opening and at hole from inside front door. Years ago they worked pretty damn good.
These guys suck, just plain and simple. No plan from the beginning and when they go “defensive” nothing is happening. They need to hold some battalion level training during the next couple of shifts and not just babysit their fire houses.
Wow…. Soo many issues to address.. I’m only gonna list the top two
1) 3:27 mark WTF is that “chief (white helmet)” thinking walking into an IDLH with no airpack.
2) Vacant building.. “risk alot to save a lot.. risk a little to save a little”
Lucky nobody was killed..
This department needs an intervention…