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Video from JC Kriesher jck5055 of a house fire yesterday in West Mahanoy Township, PA. Here’s part of the description from FireandFilm.com where you will also find still pictures:
At 12:47 PM on Wednesday, December 12, Schuylkill County 9-1-1 dispatched the West Mahanoy Township Fire Department (William Penn, Shenandoah Heights and Altamont) with the Hookies and Columbia from the Shenandoah Fire Department to 1200 West Coal Street in the Township for a reported house fire. Shenandoah ALS was also included on the first alarm assignment.
Shenandoah Medic 6401 pulled out of the station and saw smoke showing from 12 blocks away. Shenandoah PD arrived shortly after and confirmed the working fire with everyone out of the house. William Penn Chief 888 (Miscannon) arrived on the scene and assumed command.
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Shenandoah telesquirt 745 crew please watch the St. Mary’s video, and train, train, train. May have been a can fire in the kitchen when you pulled up. Way to long to run the line, way to long to get ready, worried about getting the stick in the air instead of the line run… Camera cut off seveal times so not sure of true time but was over 2 mins 30 sec on the video to get the line charged (semi charged).
Like the old wise chief keeps teling me, “get the first line run, charged and go to work quickly and 98% of your problems go away” How true compair the St. Mary’s video to the Telesquirt 745 video and tell me the statement is not true. How much more damage was done by taking so long to make the stretch and go to work! Strike Da Box! K
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GoVLgqHi9Q&feature=player_embedded#!
Be careful Scooter, the boys of Surekill County don’t take to well to criticism.
On bar night in the Skook you must have been rejected for membership due to poor pike pole skills. That’s pathetic, but keep practicing and honing your skills.
i’d really like to know you’re name instructor.
Wow, they had the aerial in the air before they pulled an attack line!! Wrong order! Wonder how many GPMs they were getting through that pile of spaghetti before the white hat decided to straighten the kinks? Roof crew must have been hanging around to see if they could smoke some meat. C’mon, cut the hole and clear off, don’t sit there admiring your work!
I saw a video about a year ago of volunteers in a South American city in Chile that put these guys to shame. They arrived prepared to fight heavy fire on the second floor of a 2 story wood frame dwelling with turnout gear and SCBA’s worn and stretched immediately inside and up the steps. Perhaps it could be found and shown to this department as a training video so they might learn to make a quicker stretch and knockdown.
Not terrible work so I won’t state the obvious with the previous video. Experience and training, experience is limiited to the amount of actual work, training is no excuse.
They needed a bumper turret on that telesqurt, some magic bubbles in their tank, an automatic hose deployer …
Sorry, couldn’t help myself…LOL
Seriously, a roof ladder would have been nice on that steep roof, especially if you’re going to have a committee meeting up there.
Another PA fire, I agree with the previous four messages & I got a couple more questions. What’s up with pulling the pump primer before a line is even stretched?…and not by the pump operator (scba’ed f/f) I do admit they had a very small crew at the start…no excuse for “all” the wrong order stuff. Let’s vent horizontally “way” after the fire is knocked.
Until Mrs. Smith criminally charges the Fire Chief to hold him accountable for the inept FD performance,things like this will continue to be acceptable. There is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSES for their performance on this fire. Brings a whole new meaning to “Get Back To Basics”. Next time try pullin the attack hose first and put some water on the fire. You would be amazed with the results you can acheive when you apply water, and you will not have to do all the other fancy stuff and waste time. Just know that if you choose this option next time you WILL NOT LOOK COOL, but the outcome will be much mo better! (yea I am being a smart A$$) Be a great place to start a FD…. COME ON MAN!!!
Embarrassing to the fire service…….Come on Man!!!!
Its awesome to have toys huh? it was more important to get the stick up than to stretch a line and get water flowing? more important to open the roof before horizontal ventilation? Come on guys…..this aint rocket science. I bet the rig rolled in without anyone on it who could do interior work.
We are judged by the film, it is now the norm. Perhaps we do not know or see all however,lets try to help our selves
Some things are simple and SHOULD happen at most fires.
Pull a line,run a line(KINKS) and throw a ladder.
A roof ladder should have been deployed to the front porch roof for vent ops. The venting should have started approx. one minute after the line was hitting the fire.
Get down from the front porch roof and place at LEAST one additional ladder for egress. A must then occur,advise the interior crews where the escape routes are.It is a bad feeling to go to a second floor window and no ladder has been placed for you to exit. I know of what I speak. PS The ladder comments can be handled by one FF and a pump operator that knows is/her job!
I would like to thank the Shenandoah Fire Department for an entertaining viewing experience this morning in Reading.
Maybe the “Hookies” on the top cab of the Telespirt refers to the boys who are suppose to attend training?
WOW, that was one of the worst videos I’ve seen on Statter. Come on fellas, that was a joke. At least a line stretched to the door before the aerial was used. Damn Quints, they screw you all the time!
So when the first line is finally pulled off the rack I think to myself ‘oh good, he’s got a shoulder load and is going to flake it out in the front yard while his back up man clears the bed.’ But not so. I actually yelled at the computer screen when it showed the shoulder load simply dumped like a sack full of dead cats at the porch stairs!
Lazy smoke on arrival….probably a small fire. Go get it. They would’ve had less damage to the house if they just let it burn….
Combination pieces cause confusion on the fire ground!! Perfect example, either be an engine or be a truck not both. Based on the crews performance i would say they are neither, but i’m sure they tried their hardest. I sure am glad other parts of pa are different.
Please get rid of these hose jockies and get the IAFF in here to replace them. As I have said before these departments in Pa are a joke. I was a vol ff in pg co and I went to 1,000 workers and I cannot remember ever that we had such sloppy firefighting as this on any runs that I was on. Maybe Mr Statter can chime in here too.
The municipalities of this area cannot afford to pay many of their regular bills let alone for career departments. The tax base does not exist. If you want to look at it that way the taxpayers get what they pay for.
As a PA firemen i have to say if your from here you will learn the term “South of I80″ no sence in beating them up too bad if you have seen some of the other video’s from that area you will see why
So if they showed up with strictly a Ladder truck, no pump, the comments would have been what?? There was no engine there when they arrived and wasn’t one in the video for quite awhile. ALthough slow in deployment, it was still faster than the 1st in engines line. Yet a small crew accomplished both tasks. Give’m some credit.
Look in the mirror, you guys are awesome!!
PPA allows rapid ventilation and entry of a structure with a small crew. OSHA, NFPA, and good practice require 4 people on the scene prior to entry.
Assuming the 360 shows that the fire seems to be small and in the Alpha bedroom on the second floor:
With 4 people:
Initial Actions
1. OIC does 360, lets the crew know to KTF on the Charlie side, and makes a plan
2. Lineman stretches and flakes line to the rear
3. Ladderman retrieves 14′ ladder and carries it to the rear
4. Driver assists line & ladder bringing stuff to the rear, returns to wagon, charges the line
Next Moves
1. OIC establishes West Coal Command, and announces the Plan “PPA from Alpha, Vent on Charlie”, orders next in engine to complete the water supply, gives appropriate orders to the remainder of the assignment.
2. Driver pulls second line to front door, stages forcible entry equipment there, places the fan on the sidewalk and starts it, facing away.
3. Ladder and lineman return to side A and place their SCBA in service. They may force and control the front door, and make an arm / tool sweep behind the door.
1-2 minutes later:
1. Lineman and Ladderman are crouched at the front door, the hose is charged properly flaked or coiled, PPA is worn, SCBA is in service, Ladderman has a lightweight TIC on cord, ideally a fifth firefighter has arrived so he can focus on the TIC. IC has command on side A of the building. The driver has 3/4 of a 500 gallon tank, or as secured a 250+ gpm water supply.
2. IC signals the fan to be turned in. Per SOGs, the fan is at idle. The vent track stabilizes and the first floor is clear, with smoke being projected from the 2A window.
3. The IC signals “GO” and the crew enters the first floor. As the crew very quickly moves from room to stair to hall to room, the TIC man scans the ceiling temp ahead. On seeing temps less than 400 degrees, he yells “GO.”. On seeing temps above 400 degrees, he yells “Cool it.” and the lineman gives a 1-2-3 second burst into the overhead and along the ceiling in the path of advance. In short order they arrive at the 2A bedroom, and find a smoldering closet, which they extinguish in short order.
[Yes, a little fire like this, you can just enter and walk up the stairs. However, that's a bad policy on the 1 fire in a 100 that rapidly changes between deciding to to that and doing that. Also, in the case of less than 4 people on the scene, it delays water until 4 people are on the scene. It also delays water until the OIC makes a 360. The firefighters should be trained to KTF on sight, without waiting]
Bottom line is that the FD, wherever it is, needs to arrive with the intent to do work.
OIC: Size up, Command
Line: Pull a line
Ladder: Throw a ladder
Driver: Assist everyone and operate the pump.
Edit “from the 2A window” to “from the 1D window”.
D.Schaefer,
I would have to disagree with your comment on PA companies being a joke. Not all Volunteer Companies are bad at what they do sure some are better then others and might have more training and standards set in place maybe you forget where you came from when you first started off being you were volunteer and new to the service , don’t matter If your career or volunteer we all seen great ones and we all seen clueless ones The label means nothing
I expected this to be a lot worse than it turned out to be. Give them credit for taking a line inside and cutting a hole in the roof. They did what they were supposed to do, albeit not at the speed some of us are used to. Was it perfectly executed? No. Could they use some drills to become more proficient? Yes. It is better than several of the videos I’ve seen here that start off the same way and 10 minutes later the roof burns off of the house!
Aerial gets placed in service before a hose line is put in place, hose line becomes spaghetti, front door closes on hose line because there’s no door chock, and then the back up man walks out of the house leaving his nozzle man by himself. Training is the keyword to come from this video. You guys are much better than this!
Stay safe. .
here’s a perfect situation when converting the minute man into the Cleveland load would of worked perfect in the front of that house.
for those not knowing what i’m talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3L7-fhHClk
Days time calls they’re lucky they had that coming off the truck.
I don’t cut ppl down on this site like the rest. Use this site like its supposed to be… use it as a training opp not an opportunity to cut brothers fighting the same fight. bunch of assholes
The Cleveland load is nice. Works well. I saw members from Branchville PG working with it. You can convert minuteman to bundles on the fly:
Here are the brothers from Bellingham, WA demonstrating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEA-cn1NYIE
Everybody thinks they know it all…
First off, the video is in pieces and shot from an angle that doesn’t allow you to see everything at once.
The IC gave the order for the Sqrt to take the address and have one crew prepare to enter with a line and the additional personnel to put the stick in service. Those operations were being conducted simultaneously.
The IC was also aware of the location of each additional responding engine and gave orders accordingly. The engine behind the Sqrt had water supply and its personnel reported for assignment. The other engine crews reported to command and were assigned as needed.
As part of the size up on arrival, the IC interviewed the homeowner to get details about the location of the fire and whether everyone was out (eliminating need for search). Orders were given based on that information as well as the observations from the 360.
The fire was relatively minimal, confined to a room and contents. The homeowner attempted to put it out with an extinguisher and though it was too much for her, she did knock some of it down.
While there were certainly things that could have gone better, it’s no where near as bad as most of you are trying to make it.