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A better (but not good) answer to the Tennessee pay to spray fiasco. Plus, Dave becomes a critic of The Fire Critic.

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The Fire Critic responds and misses the point

I am sure most of you  have been following the latest incident of a Tennessee fire department letting a home burn because the homeowner didn’t pay the annual subscription fee. In this case in South Fulton an unpaid $75 bill resulted in the fire department watching a house burn to the ground. There has been a lot of reaction to this story, including the following: News coverage across the country (just heard the story again on CBS Radio); A live shot with the homeowner on Keith Olbermann’s Countdown on MSNBC with references to life under the Tea Party (see below); Glenn Beck supports the FD position; The son of the homeowner decking the fire chief (see story above); A harsh statement from IAFF General President Harold Schaitberger; The Fire Critic Rhett Fleitz taking the side of the fire department saying the rules are the rules (please check my critique of The Fire Critic further down).

As a volunteer firefighter in Maryland in the 70s I recall being quite outraged reading the stories, usually from the South, of firefighters watching homes burn because someone wasn’t on the department’s subscription or membership list. I don’t think my outrage is any less more than 35-years-later.

The chiefs who run these subscription based entities, including Union City Fire Chief Kelly Edmison whose department is in Obion County, Tennessee with South Fulton, make the case that they are between a rock and a hard place. Here is what Chief Edmison said to WPSD-TV:

“If somebody is trapped in the house we’re going to go because life safety is number one but we can’t give the service away,” Edmison said. “It’s not South Fulton’s problem. It’s not Union City’s problem. It’s the county’s problem. There is no county fire department.”

“If we just waited to charge when we went out there, you’d be working on a per-call basis,” he said.  “With no more calls than there are, the money wouldn’t be there in a sufficient source to buy the equipment you need.”

He and other fire chiefs in Obion County who charge subscription fees for county residents know they’re in a tough spot.

“It’s like car insurance,” Edmison said. “I wish I could wait until I have an accident until I pay my premium on my car insurance, but it doesn’t work that way. So why should the fire service be looked at anything different?” 

The self dubbed Fire Critic, Rhett Fleitz, has no sympathy for the homeowner who didn’t pay his bill and he also thinks the fire department is wrongly the fall guy in this one.

This situation is a black eye for the fire service. The fault lies with the homeowners for not paying the $75 fee. However, the public will not view it as such. The media is also jumping on the band wagon…saying that the homeowner is the victim. The only thing that failed here was the homeowner not paying the fee. Everything else operated as it should.

So many people are pointing the finger towards the fire department. Once again, they fail to look at policies. This is bigger than the fire department. If someone wants to change the policies they need to look to the South Fulton City Government.

I don’t know if it’s just a poor choice of words or my good friend Rhett has finally snapped after taking years of abuse about being short. Rhett has me really worried about him when he writes, ”Everything else operated as it should”. Huh?

I am starting to think that carpool I wrote about with Connie Xinos of Oak Brook, Illinois and the two council knuckleheads from Xenia, Ohio who want the firefighters to buy their own gear can now go in the HOV-4 lanes. Connie, give me a call for directions. Rhett will be standing at the curb waiting for you. Thank goodness IronFiremen.com is now aboard FireEMSBlogs.com so we can get something sensible from Roanoke. (BTW Rhett is so threatened about the blog by Willie Wines he put some frontal nudity on The Fire Critic today. I think we know who the real boob is. Desperate people do desperate things.)

Now back to our story. No, Rhett. Everything did not operate as it should. Firefighters put out fires and help people. They should not be put in the position where they can’t do that. And maybe it’s not the South Fulton Government that is necessarily the problem. Maybe Obion County should provide for its people by subsidizing the volunteer fire departments.

If that can’t be done, maybe a better answer to this problem comes from a Tennessee fire company with a similar issue. In the story below, after running into fundraising issues, the Karns VFD, five hours or so to the east of South Fulton, is going to a subscription type department. But it sounds like they are not refusing to respond to anyone’s emergency. They will bill those who aren’t members a pretty substantial fee for putting out a fire. 

Far from perfect and still objectionable. But at least this way it won’t bring about video on national television of firefighters looking like they are at a marshmellow roast while someone loses all of their belongings. Let the bill collectors, accountants and courts do what they are supposed to do while firefighters do their jobs. (And Rhett, go do your job, admit you were wrong and apologize to your co-worker Willie for trying to steal his thunder on his opening week.)

Connie Xinos, meet John Caupp & Dale Louderback of Xenia, Ohio. Three kindred spirits trying to teach firefighters a lesson.

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First of all, I am a bit late on this story due to my other duties over the last few days. The Fire Critic, Firegeezer (Bill goes deep on this one, giving us lots of background) and Firefighter Close Calls already have posted this video from Xenia, Ohio.  In it, two council members, John Caupp and Dale Louderback, speak out and vote against buying seven sets of firefighter turnout gear through the Ohio Cooperative Purchasing Program. It is their belief that firefighters should buy their own PPE and cops should buy their own ballistic vests. Especially in the tough economic times that caused Xenia to lay off firefighters this year.

Looking at the video is it clear to me that it’s more than just the X in both Xenia and Xinos that’s the common element between this video and our other big fire department budget story of the last two weeks. As I am sure most of you recall, Connie Xinos wants to balance the Village of Oak Brook, Illinois budget (a wealthy community with no property tax) by firing one firefighter each month until the union agrees to modify its current agreement to allow staffing and pension cuts. Xinos added, referring to the wife of a fired firefighter:

“Maybe they’ll sue us. Maybe they’ll win something three years from now. She’ll leave him. He’ll be out of the house. The dog will be dead and the kids will be out on the streets.”

Warning: The rest of this column is kind of a personal message from me to Mr. Xinos, Mr. Caupp and Mr. Louderback. There’s no need for anyone else to read it.

Mr. Xinos, I imagine a man with your soft-spoken and easy charm is not lacking friends. But just in case you are, I want you to think of STATter911.com as your own personal eHarmony.com. No upfront fees. In fact, the service is completely free.  And I believe STATter911.com has already found your soul mates for life (strictly platonic, of course).

Really what I am offering is kind of a video service  for those who don’t have a best friend. Connie, just click above and I think you’ll agree that you could be looking into a mirror rather than a YouTube video.

So Connie, meet John and Dale. John and Dale, meet Connie (click here for his cool video). My gut tells me you three will get along famously.

I even have a suggestion for a first date for you fun loving guys. How about a trip to Emmitsburg, Maryland? It’s a gorgeous little town in the Catoctin Mountains. It’s just south of Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. The people there are lovely.

Fall is a great time to visit this area. How about the first weekend in October of next year? A year from now. I promise you the wait will be worth it.

I know how thrifty you three are, so why not carpool it to Maryland?

Connie will pick up John and Dale. Connie it’s on your way, but I already know what’s bothering you about this. No need to worry, I am sure they will chip in for gas (actually let me rethink that part). 

Either way I am certain you guys will have plenty to talk about. I imagine by the time you turn south on Route 15 in Pennsylvania you will have solutions for many of society’s ills.

I have good news for you budget conscious men. I will be glad to pick up your hotel rooms in Maryland. I mean it. My treat.

I have more good news for you to save some money. While you’re in Emmitsburg I will be your personal tour guide. 

The first stop has to be Gettysburg. There’s lots to learn there. Talk about being a leader during tough times. But you guys have shown those aren’t lessons you really need. Connie, I guess you would agree that John and Dale have inspired their own troops by toughening them up. Letting them know if they really must have protective gear going into battle, they should just buy it themselves. I am sure that’s what many of them did during the Civil War. 

And John and Dale, I think you both will be greatly impressed with Connie’s leadership when he was in that fierce battle with the 11-year-old girl. I can assure you it wasn’t Connie who went home and cried that night.

By the way, while we are in Emmitsburg there’s a big event in town that weekend that I would love for you three to see. It draws about five or six thousand people each year. But there’s more good news. It’s free of charge. It won’t cost you a dime. I know money means more than anything to you guys. You’ve made that clear.

While there you should really take take the time to meet some of the men, women and children who will be at that gathering. I’ve been going for years and I always find it an extremely impressive group (but in a much different way than you three impress me).

Just do me one little favor. It’s simple. When you meet them, take a close look into their eyes. 

That’s it. Nothing more. Just take a close look into their eyes.

Connie Xinos fans you will want to watch this. Oak Brook, Illinois man at another Village meeting threatening to fire firefighters.

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 Click here, here and here for our previous coverage of Connie Xinos

A quite unrepentant Connie Xinos took the podium at the Village of Oak Book, Illinois public meeting on Tuesday evening and made comments quite similar to those he made at a September 22 Citizens Finance Advisory Committee get-together. Xinos warns firefighters that unions are not really welcomed in Oak Brook and that they better realize that or they will be replaced by a private contractor. He again says that if concessions are not agreed to by firefighters that the Village should start firing one firefighter each month. The comments from Mr. Xinos come at about the 24:00 mark. It is well worth watching to get the full impact of Connie Xinos’ anti-union sentiments.

Both before and after Connie Xinos spoke there were comments from others about the September 22 meeting. Village officials also defend themselves about their reaction to the controversial comments.

Oak Brook’s Connie Xinos: A profile of the Illinois lawyer who takes on firefighters & 11-year-old girls.

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 Click here and here for our previous coverage of this story

Burt Constable, a columnist with the Daily Herald, knows something about Connie Xinos. Xinos, of course, is the man who wants to fire one Oak Brook, Illinois firefighter a month until the Village officials get the concessions they want. Constable has followed the antics of this outspoken critic of those in public safety and those in elementary school.

The writer has now penned (or should it be keyboarded) his latest column about Xinos. It has the title Mr. X earns rep by ripping poor, library and firefighters. It starts with a description of the Grinch (“it could be that his head wasn’t screwed on just right”) from Dr. Seuss’ How the Grinch Stole Christmas. Here are excerpts:

Constantine “Connie” Xinos says things that could lead some people to see him as the meanest man in all of Oak Brook. But Xinos seems as comfortable wearing that reputation as he is tooling around his gated community in his Mercedes-Benz.

Xinos, a 70-year-old attorney who hasn’t won a villagewide election but has been president of his home association since 1983, attacked the girl with such meanness that it made her little friend cry. He knew he was ticking off professional librarians and people who like libraries and 11-year-old girls, and he liked it.

“I wanted that kid to lose sleep that night,” Xinos, with a smile most unpleasant, told me during a two-hour, profanity-filled interview last year in his car.

This was not his first dip into the pool of publicly spewed vile. Once, when Oak Brook considered a subsidized housing unit for seniors, Xinos successfully campaigned against it by proclaiming, “I don’t want to live next to poor people. I don’t want poor people in my town.”

Now, as Oak Brook, which levies no property taxes to pay for village services, looks at ways to cuts costs in these harsh times, Xinos goes after village firefighters.

“Firemen, like cops, are street people. They only understand civilized force. That’s what they understand. Fire ‘em!” Xinos said at a recent meeting, suggesting the village fire one firefighter every month until the firefighters retreated on salary and benefits.

But he didn’t just want to put a village employee out of work. He fantasized about ruining the lives of firefighters, their wives, kids and pets.

“She’ll leave him. He’ll be out of the house,” Xinos said, envisioning the demise of the family. “The dog will be dead and the kids will be out on the streets.”

Connie Xinos, man who wants to fire Oak Brook, IL firefighters, has no regrets. Union wants to know why Village president didn’t speak up at meeting. Part 2 of the meeting audio.

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Entire letter to Village of Oak Brook President John Craig

Earlier coverage of this issue

The video above is the continuation of the now infamous September 22 meeting of the Village of Oak Brook, Illinois Citizens Finance Advisory Committee. It is the part where the discussion of a firefighter’s death in a neighboring jurisdiction is discussed. More on that in a moment.

As we first told you on Saturday, a member of this same group, Constantine Xinos, earlier in the meeting called for the firing of one Oak Brook firefighter each month until there are pension and staffing concessions. Xinos said, “Firemen, like cops, are street people. They only understand civilized force. That’s what they understand. You fire ‘em.” (That audio is in Part 1 at the bottom.)

Xinos, who says he likes firemen, talked yesterday with WLS-TV:

Xinos said he did not regret his statements.

“I regret nothing,” said Xinos. “You have to get people’s attention.”

It’s working. Just ask 17-year Oak Brook fire veteran and local union president George Grodek.

“We’ve dedicated our lives to the village of Oak Brook,” said Grodek. “To hear someone say because they don’t want to pay a property tax they’d like to ruin my livelihood and family’s wellbeing is just shocking.”

“I think what you heard at that meeting was frustration with a union contract that doesn’t give us a lot of flexibility,” said Oak Brook Village Manager Dave Niemeyer.

This is the same Connie Xinos who also had a public battle with an 11-year-old girl over library funding. I guess Xinos won that skirmish, because he brought the girls friend to tears. He later told the Daily Herald:

“I wanted that kid to lose sleep that night,” a grinning Xinos says Wednesday, as he invites me for a nearly two-hour interview in his Mercedes-Benz in the gated Oak Brook community where he lives. “This is the real world and the lesson, you folks who brought your kids here, is if you want something, pay for it.”

Shortly after the fire department discussion at the September 22 meeting the recent death of Hinsdale, Illinois Deputy Fire Chief Mark Johnson was brought up. This rapidly evolved into laughter as the group discussed the mortality of one of the committee members.

Mike Ward at Firegeezer has been working hard and doing some digging on this issue. Mike found the letter from Associated Firefighters of Illinois President Pat Devaney to Village of Oak Brook President John Craig. Devaney and others identify Craig as also being at the meeting. Here’s an excerpt from the letter: